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January 6th, 2005, 10:47 AM
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Great! Which language are you going to use?
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My first choice would be Visual Basic.
It takes all the Gui work from you, and allows fast programming.
But I am aware that many people here use different Operation Systems, so Java might be a good choice. But this would definitly take longer
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January 6th, 2005, 11:58 AM
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Real Basic promises to be Visual Basic for Windows/Linux/Mac, but it has a 150$ price tag attached to it...
I have used NetBeans for Java programming, and it offers some UI configuration. Not much, however.
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January 6th, 2005, 03:56 PM
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Another Idea might be C++, but again, if you want a cross plattform application you loose all the nice guy staff visual c++ offers... Does anyone here have any experience with Eclipse? Is there a gui Editor included?
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January 6th, 2005, 06:22 PM
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May I suggest Tcl/Tk ?
It's cross-platform, it's free, it's simple.
Making a GUI would be a matter of minutes, if one knows what he's doing. If all else fails, there are GUI builders out there. But for 3 buttons and file opening dialogue you won't really need that.
While it's a scripting language, you can actually wrap it into an .exe.
And on 1+GHz machines, it would be really fast enough to crunch some ASCII files...
Here's the GUI for my DOM2 MAP randomizer:
(should run with Linux, but I'm not shure if I got the shell command & pathes right)
code removed, check the next posting
As you can see, really simple all in all ... .
Win32-Wrapped-Version is attached so you can check the "look and feel".
Sorry, the board doesn't seem to like the attachment. But i hope it works ok now...
Mmmh, the *code* command doesn't work out too.. I have attached the .tcl file, which is readable with a simple text editor, to the next posting ..
Forgot to mention: There's a .csv-Package which makes it really easy to handle such files with Tcl. I'm planning on using it with my Map Randomizer. And all those Excel files could be exported to .csv
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January 6th, 2005, 06:50 PM
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Real Basic promises to be Visual Basic for Windows/Linux/Mac, but it has a 150$ price tag attached to it...
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If it really should be some kind of basic, check out XBasic http://xbasic.sourceforge.net/
It's code compatible between Linux and Win32, comes with a GUI builder (in fact, it's part of the IDE) and it's free,too.
Sadly, documentation is rather scarce, or obsolet, so it's not so easy to get into as is Tcl/Tk.
.tcl code file attached - see previous posting
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January 7th, 2005, 12:19 PM
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Sounds all interesting, give me some time to read trough the stuff
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January 7th, 2005, 12:28 PM
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Re: MOD.MAKING.PROGRAM
Some more about Tcl/Tk
[internet]
www.tcl.tk
www.self-tcl.de
Tcl-Coach (German only)[Editor,Wrapper, training course]
http://www.medienzentrum-ansbach.de/inf/download.htm
.. scroll down to the bottom. It's pretty self-explaining (help)
Tcl-Tutor (english) [training course]
http://www.msen.com/~clif/TclTutor.html
[Book] "Welch, Practical Programming in Tcl/Tk, 4th Ed."
it's a bit pricey, though.
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January 7th, 2005, 08:16 PM
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I've been writing a mod maker in C# .NET. Mostly it's been a learning exercise -- how to play w/ .NET, how to manage tabs, how communicate b/w different "controls." I hope to post the basic Version some time soon.
A lot of my time has gone into understanding the .NET GUI. If you write a simple text based MAD-LIB modder, it would take less time, be within modest JAVA capabilities, and be fairly portable.
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January 7th, 2005, 08:27 PM
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Another thing that would sure be nifty is if the good developers would teach us how to access all the data from the game itself. Not only would this save an enormous amount of work, but when things changed in future patches the modding software would automatically change with it.
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January 8th, 2005, 11:40 AM
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Ygorl: be careful about what you wish for: an example of a bad wish's results.
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