OT: Words fail me

[Timstone]

Nice!

Congrats with your 10k posts!

[sachmo]

Unfortuantely, it's the logical progression of the popularity of games like GTA. As long as there is a market for tastelessness, people will try to fill it.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Some clarification: It is a collectable card game, made by white wolf.

I'm the one who's brilliant plan to be able to go to bed early is to not go to sleep untill tonight and I can keep track of that.

[Atrocities]

Its just a game suck it up and deal with it.

My god if they have a problem with it, don't buy it. What next, will they try and pass a law to protect us from our right to choose what kind of card / video / other game we want to buy?

"Oh I am sorry sir, but the liberal politically correct left and uber religious right have passed laws protecting you from this kind of game."

I am an adult, I do not need someone to tell me what I can and cannot buy for myself. I am able to make the choice my self and do not want interferance from some politically correct liberal law maker and their holly than thou moral ethical standards force fed to me through laws that are designed to protect me from my rights.

[Nodachi]

AT, you're right, you have every right to buy (or not) a game like this if you wish to. However, the people behind the petition have every right to voice thier opinion and ask the game company to not produce this game. No one said anything about trying to outlaw tasteless games, as a supporter of free speech I would be against that.

[Arkcon]

Atrocities said:
Its just a game suck it up and deal with it.

A valid point of view, but consider -- the game is a card trading game, so anyone could make it in their own home. It exists, and this petition won't change that. Maybe the protest raised just raises awareness, makes people think, and has a positive effect on people who might want to play it once just to see what it all means.

I'm thinking this is a similar situation to Ghettopoly -- first there's game creation, then publicity, outrage, then in sequence protests, petitions, the manufacturer stops making the game, and some fly-by-night outfit takes over. Then the game is forgotten, 'cause its a stupid premise anyway.

Opinion: If games don't hurt our mind and culture, then protests and outrage don't rob us of our freedom. It's all just stuff that happens during the day.

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Indeed, they have a right to make it and you have a right to buy it. I don't want to interfere in that. I'm simply saying that for me, that game crosses over a line. The choice of wether they listen to that will ultimatly be up to their conciounce and/or market possibility, the same forces that are a part of any market descision where greed and/or morals exist. And, of course, you have the right to protest the petition, just as people have a right to make and sign that petition.

In other words, there is nothing there that doesn't already exist in a market economy, and I wouldn't support a law to ban it.

[dogscoff]

I heard about this one game, it's disguting. In it, you play the part of some fascistic dictator who seeks to expand his (or her, the game is at least gender-equal) own territory by wantonly devouring natural resources, invading other nations and the use of spying, political intrigue and even genocide! In the light of immeasurable grief caused by real-life warmongering bastards throughout history, I think this game should be outlawed altogether!

[Will]

dogscoff said:
I heard about this one game, it's disguting. In it, you play the part of some fascistic dictator who seeks to expand his (or her, the game is at least gender-equal) own territory by wantonly devouring natural resources, invading other nations and the use of spying, political intrigue and even genocide! In the light of immeasurable grief caused by real-life warmongering bastards throughout history, I think this game should be outlawed altogether!

You do know you'll be drawn and quartered for trying to outlaw Space Empires V on these boards, no?

[AMF]

Atrocities said:
My god if they have a problem with it, don't buy it. What next, will they try and pass a law to protect us from our right to choose what kind of card / video / other game we want to buy?

Would you say the same if it was a game whose object was to see how many 10 year old boys you could sodomize in order to win?

The point being that it's not just *your* opinion that matters, at a certain point one has to admit that society, *as a whole* is harmed by things like this. An analogy: I don't think the FCC should be in the business of busting Janet Jackson for her breatshowing, but what if they showed, instead, a preist buggering a boy, or some giant explicit anal sex orgy on prime time TV, or they had a gameshow where the object was "Who can rape as many goats in an hour wins a million bucks!" ("who wants to be a goat-raping millionaire?" by Fox of course)

The point is, again, no one cares what an individual thinks. We should, and many people do, care about the overall impact to our society - especially as it impacts those members of society least able to protect themselves. We owe it to the children, at the very least, to have some sort of standards.

Do you oppose movie ratings as well? Howabout explicit pornagrphy in high schools? Take your pick - the point is: where do you draw the line?

I personally tend to draw the line by saying that NO ONE has a right to tell ANYONE else what to do in the privacy of their own home as long as all parties are adult and willing participants. You want to get chopped up and eaten like that guy in Germany? Hey, as long as that's ok with you, go to it.

But don;t do it in public. And this game is somewhat public, no?

Remember Rome? I'm the *last* person to be conservative, but neither am I going to accept the uber-Libertarian viewpoint that the government has NO role in society and protecting its weakest members.

That to me is the real measure of the worth and quality of a society: how well does it treat it's least protected members? And that is the real issue here.

Alarik

Oh, and PS: stop blaming liberals for everything you don't like in the world: this is a right-wing nutjob issue - to use your own phrase, look at it with an open mind and you'll see that. When was the last time you heard liberals yell about Hollywood standards?

ta ta