Enough whining!

[Jurri]

Whining about whining is still whining, you know. I don't mind if people express their opinions on gameplay; in fact I rather enjoy it, why else would I peruse this forum? I'm sure many have found helpful suggestions to enhance their enjoyment of the game on the forum, and I'd be surprised if nobody has found the various 'balance'-mods pleasurable. Thus I maintain that the threads for suggested tweaks serve a purpose, and as such are indeed desirable content for a forum such as this.

If your worry is that the game devolves into something you do not enjoy, nobody is forcing you to pay any attention to the mods and special houserules people use to derive more pleasure from the game. Indeed, you can ignore 'official' patches or mods, too, should their content be not to your liking.

If the problem is the perceived whininess in the tone, I'd suggest either taking it like a man or discussing it privately with persons in question. In any case, it hardly is a matter that is proper for a board such as this.

Lastly, if you just wanted to vent your frustration, I'm sure there are more suitable ways to do it. It hardly is polite or productive to do so on a public forum, in my opinion.

[Aku]

I enjoyed the starting post by Tuidjy. Especially this statement:

They never invested in any gem generating items, allowed their hoarding opponents
to reach turn 120 unmolested, and were obliterated by remote spells and highest
level summons? Let us give idiotically high path requirements to clams,
fetishes, and blood stones!

Boron is known to be an extreme hoarder but yet NONE of his neighbors ever attack him. But then people will complain saying they need to nerf clams. It is like saying nerf Ermor because you decided to ally with him but are mad that his dominion went into your lands ruining it.

[Boron]

Yeah good post Tuidjy .

Continuous "balancing" which is nerfing normally only ruins even the best game .

If ppl want a who has the bigger block game they should play Aow 2 SM or Heroes 4 and not Dominions .

Hopefully Illwinter remains strong enough to not listen to the whiners anymore . I already fear though that irreperable damage was done as shown with the ocenia mod where clams cost 3w 1n . If that is how dom 3 will look then goodnight

[The_Tauren13]

Awww... poor wibble boron afwaid of wosing his cwams? My heart bleeds. The people who whine about getting their favorite strategies nerfed are no better than those proposing the nerfing... Besides, the forums wouldnt be half as lively or interesting. Good, healthy debates are always fun.

[Verjigorm]

Actually, I rather liked the idea of changing the paths of clams. Not to 2W1N, but to 1W1S Same amount of total gems, but making them diminishes your stock of pearls just like the fever fetish, but that's just my opinion

[Jack Simth]

Not just like a fever fetish; to cascade fever fetishes, you have a 25-turn break-even (ignoring such costs as a ring of Regeneration to maintain your scouts (or the scout's maintenence costs), or summoning black servants to carry them without penalty) via alchemy - 25 Fire -> 10 Astral, 5 Fire -> 5 Nature, 5 Fire; with clams as they stand, it's a 20 turn break-even: 20 Astral -> 10 Water; 5 Water, 5 Astral would reduce the break-even time to 15 turns - 15 Astral -> 5 Water, 5 Astral, and thus increase it's attractiveness.

[Agrajag]

I have to say that this post (on the top) is actually an arguement FOR nerfing hoard items.
You specifically say that you HAVE to have hoard items to win, and shouldnt complain if you are beaten because you didn't use any.
This means, that in order to win the game, you must use hoard items, which makes one general strategy a no-brainer and ruins the fun by forcing you into using a specific strategy.

[Skolem]

I have to say that this post (on the top) is actually an arguement FOR nerfing hoard items.

I don't think so, Tuidjy, just says that if you have a neighbourg that you know will hoard, then you have to attack him before turn 120, say turn 60 or before. at this point the hoarding just didn't give you a clear advantage (maybe no advantage at all)

P.S. actually I hope this discussion about WS won't end in a discussion like we had with the WQ, I didn't find it funny.

[johan osterman]

Boron said:
Yeah good post Tuidjy .

Continuous "balancing" which is nerfing normally only ruins even the best game .

If ppl want a who has the bigger block game they should play Aow 2 SM or Heroes 4 and not Dominions .

Hopefully Illwinter remains strong enough to not listen to the whiners anymore . I already fear though that irreperable damage was done as shown with the ocenia mod where clams cost 3w 1n . If that is how dom 3 will look then goodnight

Sleep tight.

[NTJedi]

Jurri said:
Whining about whining is still whining, you know.

I agree