mosehansen Faerun, again.

[baboune]

Got only three Vastness, and many Greater Otherness. The void is not a miracle maker

[Alneyan]

You can only get Vastnesses around level 13/20 (summoning level), and are most likely to get one near level 17 or so. You will then only get the Greater Othernesses. You may be able to get more Vastnesses after level 20, but I have never seen it happen (then again, I am not a big R'lyeh player).

Three Vastnesses is pretty good I guess, unless you have killed quite a few summoners to get them.

[Jurri]

Yo, baboune, your fungus is kicking my *** all over the place!

Alneyan, is there a statistic somewhere on the void summons or how do you know?

[Alneyan]

I know *everything* Jurri, that much is obvious. If I don't know it, then it isn't relevant. Oh wait, I was killed, so I ought to set arrogance aside.

This mechanism about Vastnesses/Greater Othernesses has been mentioned several times on the forum, and I have tried it myself. I think one of my mages had a summoning skill of 130 or some such, and only summoned two Vastnesses; an horde of Greater Othernesses had been summoned as well.

The figures for "when you can hope to summon a Vastness" are approximations however: level 13 is the earliest I got one (it could have been level 12 though), and I didn't get any Vastness after level 20. Level 17 is my own guess for when you are most likely to get a Vastness, as witnessed in my own experiments; level 18 is another figure given for this, but I do not believe there has been any official word on this.

[Jurri]

Alneyan said:
I know *everything* Jurri, that much is obvious. If I don't know it, then it isn't relevant.

Wait, even I should have known that much. That you know everything, I mean.

It must be a year since I last played R'lyeh so I'll accept your theory. Would that mean that it would be actually best to alternate summoners in the void? As in, keep a dude there no longer than until he's ~20 in skill and then change to another. Since the vastnesses really are great.

[Alneyan]

You might be able to get Vastnesses after summoning 20, but there's a "might" here (I think it might be possible to get them a few levels after 20, but they will completely disappear afterwards).

This part was actually confirmed by one of the developpers if memory serves, though they only said the odd of getting a Vastness decreased as summoning level increased, and not that it was impossible to get them past a certain threshold.

But yes, if you do want Vastnesses, you should switch your summoners after level 20 or so; then again, Greater Othernesses aren't the worst thing in the world either.

[Jurri]

That sure is a good thing to know, thanks Alneyan! A Greater Otherness is like an Earth Elemental to me, and Vastness like a Horror. So it isn't too tough a decision... Although quantity has its own virtue.