But do you really like SC in dominions2 ? - Page 2

#1 February 28th, 2005, 06:21 PM

>I don't know ...anyway scripting invulnearbility, attack and than 3 x life drain is very difficult to stop for most of the nations

Surely not. I mean, it obviously depends on the state of the game and the level of magic research, access to magic schools etc, but there are any number of ways to hit that VQ.

My problem in playing against the VQ - which I haven't had to do for a while - is not that she's so tough, but that the ***** keeps coming back...

Thilock_Dominus · #2 February 28th, 2005, 06:25 PM

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My problem in playing against the VQ - which I haven't had to do for a while - is not that she's so tough, but that the ***** keeps coming back...

So do my ex....but you don't hear me complain

Graeme Dice · #3 March 1st, 2005, 12:15 PM

I have absolutely no problems with SCs as they currently stand, as they are vital to prevent the game from devolving into a zerg rush of "whoever has the most troops wins".

Oversway · #4 March 1st, 2005, 12:35 PM

The point about having life drain still stands, even if you remove trampling from the equation.

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I have absolutely no problems with SCs as they currently stand, as they are vital to prevent the game from devolving into a zerg rush of "whoever has the most troops wins".

I'd say that SCs are not the only thing to prevent such a problem. Area effect spells, battle field summons, trample, artillary spells, etc. prevent this as well.

The Panther · #5 March 1st, 2005, 01:56 PM

Ice devils do not have a trample attack. If they did, then they would never be used as a solo SC.

I personally like SCs. But I HATE the idea of a single SC taking on an infinite number of troops because of life drain. SCs ought to complement your army, not substitute for it. An equivalent sized army fight, one with a couple of SCs and one without, now THAT would be a cool battle. I would certainly bet on the army that contained the SCs even without life drain in the equation, which is only proper.

Somebody made a comment above about the risk of sending in an SC to battle. They do die, that's for sure. But SCs survive a lot more often when accompanied by a real army.

I truly believe all that is really needed to balance SCs is a method to ensure that ANY SC dies to pretty much any medium sized army when going solo. Fatigue is likely the proper answer to making that happen.

BigDaddy · #6 March 1st, 2005, 02:13 PM

Can you add encumbrance to the life stealing weapons? If so we could run some tests to see how much is fair.

Ironhawk · #7 March 1st, 2005, 06:17 PM

This statement completely overlooks the tactical scripting of a well designed army. The last... three or so games I have played haven't had any SC's at all (due to house rules) and its most certainly not just "who has the most troops wins". Placing your army correctly, knowing your troops and the enemy troops, and scripting intelligently has allowed me to defeat "superior" forces on a number of occassions.

One could make an argument that placing/scripting these armies and understanding the tactics of your opponent is no different than designing and scripting SCs and anti-SCs to fight your enemy. And that seems valid to me... but honestly I like watching big armies of men duke it out on the battlefield. So much more epic! Tho I would like to see the hero-style SCs that people were suggesting, rather than mega-army-killers.

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Graeme Dice said:
I have absolutely no problems with SCs as they currently stand, as they are vital to prevent the game from devolving into a zerg rush of "whoever has the most troops wins".

Oversway · #8 March 1st, 2005, 06:28 PM

How many militia (or some other troop type, if you like) are people thinking a 'hero-style' SC should be able to kill on average? Ten? Twenty?

Ironhawk · #9 March 1st, 2005, 08:11 PM

10-20 decent units sounds pretty good. That's enough that they will have an impact on the battle but not so much that they will crush you utterly if you dont have a special defense.

You know... something that might be interesting would be to have "hero units" as a normal non-commander troop. And they randomly appeared at your capital, much like how maenads or those seahorse for Ocenia do. They would be uber-troops and you could drop them into your normal formations for some extra punch or something? Tho of course they would have to appear at a much slower rate...

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Oversway said:

How many militia (or some other troop type, if you like) are people thinking a 'hero-style' SC should be able to kill on average? Ten? Twenty?

PvK · #10 March 1st, 2005, 06:56 PM

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Graeme Dice said:
I have absolutely no problems with SCs as they currently stand, as they are vital to prevent the game from devolving into a zerg rush of "whoever has the most troops wins".

"Vital" in the sense that they are one thing that makes the game not "whoever has the most troops wins".

However I think there are plenty of other things that also accomplish that. I almost never use SC's, and I love the game, especially when I'm just using troops and "thugs" and other stuff.

PvK