Conceptual Balance Series (Mod) - Page 2

Endoperez · #1 July 20th, 2005, 09:41 AM

As far as I understand, the bug is in the current version of Zen's mod. Greath Enchantress generates an astral pearl pper turn in the base game, but the Oracle's ability is added in the mod.

Huntsman · #2 July 20th, 2005, 12:30 PM

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Endoperez said:
As far as I understand, the bug is in the current version of Zen's mod. Greath Enchantress generates an astral pearl pper turn in the base game, but the Oracle's ability is added in the mod.

Bummer. 2 pearls per turn is the Oracle's most redeeming quality!

Endoperez · #3 March 18th, 2005, 03:17 PM

The precision Aim gives cannot be changed. Are you sure you haven't confused the precision the spell is casted with (100 with Mind Burn, 1 with Falling Fires, -3 with Cloud of Death) with the precision bonus the spell gives?

Boron · #4 March 18th, 2005, 06:03 PM

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Endoperez said:
The precision Aim gives cannot be changed. Are you sure you haven't confused the precision the spell is casted with (100 with Mind Burn, 1 with Falling Fires, -3 with Cloud of Death) with the precision bonus the spell gives?

Oh i thought precisision 100 means that Aim gives now + 100 Precision . But you are probably right . Thanks for the clarification Endoperez

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ioticus · #5 April 15th, 2005, 09:29 PM

Zen, why did you increase the power of the Vine Ogre? I think if any summon deserves a nerf, that is it (besides the Devil and Fiend of Darkness.)

The_Tauren13 · #6 April 15th, 2005, 09:31 PM

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Zen, why did you increase the power of the Vine Ogre? I think if any summon deserves a nerf, that is it (besides the Devil and Fiend of Darkness.)

I second that.
I would have given the vine ogre -5 attack instead of +5 Def and +5 Prot...

Saber Cherry · #7 April 15th, 2005, 10:44 PM

I kind of wondered too. I don't see any reason to nerf their strength, but boosting the cost to 2 gems seems fair.

Huzurdaddi · #8 April 16th, 2005, 01:04 AM

I think he boosted their prot since big vines are basically like bark and bark has prot of 10. As for the increased defence, I don't know. Not like it makes a heck of a lot of difference.

Finally, I totally agree that a cost of 2 gems would help balance them out.

*or*

We could simply mod casters to be more expensive ( as Saber Cherry was talking about ), perhaps x2 or x3 as expensive. That way mage turns would be far more precious and the cost would be balanced at 1 gem.

Graeme Dice · #9 April 17th, 2005, 03:09 AM

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ioticus said:
Zen, why did you increase the power of the Vine Ogre? I think if any summon deserves a nerf, that is it (besides the Devil and Fiend of Darkness.)

I still don't see why people are so concerned about vine ogres? They are slow to summon, take huge amounts of the most valuable gem type, and are slow strategically. Unlike skeletons, which have a similar power level on the battlefield, they aren't lifeless, so you can't even swamp a SC with them.

Saber Cherry · #10 April 17th, 2005, 03:59 AM

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ioticus said:
Zen, why did you increase the power of the Vine Ogre? I think if any summon deserves a nerf, that is it (besides the Devil and Fiend of Darkness.)

I still don't see why people are so concerned about vine ogres? They are slow to summon, take huge amounts of the most valuable gem type, and are slow strategically. Unlike skeletons, which have a similar power level on the battlefield, they aren't lifeless, so you can't even swamp a SC with them.

Most valuable gem type? I consider Death, Earth (esp. for hammers or alchemy), Fire (for alchemy), Astral (very useful and transmutable), Water (clams), and Slaves (summons, contracts, earth-blood stones) more useful. I mainly use Nature for winebags, summer swords, totem shields, vine ogres, lamia queens, the occasional swarm, and some Fairy Queens if the game gets that far. Of those, I'd rate winebags, ogres (rarely vinemen), and lamia queens the best. Am I missing something?

In any case, I'd almost always want 10 vine ogres (good strength, HP, attack, need-not-eat, 2 attacks, poison-immune, no upkeep, no magical leadership, no morale failure) rather than 5 nature gems.

You don't have to use them for swamping SCs, because you can use them to swamp many other things, considering they only need research-3 (and cons-4, for thistle mace). They are great as garrisons or bodyguards, needing no food, upkeep, or special leadership. They have better strategic mobility than undead (IMO), with 2 moves and forest survival. They cannot effectively be trampled. Best of all, cheap, common Druids can summon them (with thistle maces and ivy crowns, both of which Druids can make). Overall... they rock! And they're the only good low-level summon outside of Death and Blood.