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March 25th, 2005, 05:09 PM
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The distinction, that in miracles it is God's will, and in magic it is the human's will, is important.
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So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?
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March 25th, 2005, 05:14 PM
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Re: ArcoBlood Mod Finished
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So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?
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Where did you get the power to cure it? It may have been from God; I never have claimed that it can't come from God. OTOH, if God makes a miracle, the source of the power is obvious. In fact, God could even make His miracle by prompting you to make the 'magical potion'.
The issue at stake is that you don't know if the power you receive comes from God or not. If it does not, you cannot be guaranteed of the goodness of the fact.
I did not say that your potion 'is so much worse'. At best, I have argued it can be no better than God's cure.
As for myself, I still think this is a rather specious argument, as the idea of a miracle is something that is rare (i.e., it is God's supernatural intervention into the physical world). I think it would be much more likely for God to give us doctors who would be able to cure it with modern medicine than for a miracle to occur.
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March 25th, 2005, 05:18 PM
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Re: ArcoBlood Mod Finished
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The distinction, that in miracles it is God's will, and in magic it is the human's will, is important.
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So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?
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Because you might have sacrificed some Blood Slaves to summon the Infernal Forces that showed you how to make it. If you were to make that potion AND would be able to prove that you received no help or guidance from any infernal or evil (and the relativity of those was already discussed in this thread) source and the ingredients were acceptable, then IMHO it wouldn't be any worse than the miracle. Well, except for the fact that your potion cannot cure everyone.
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March 25th, 2005, 05:24 PM
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Re: ArcoBlood Mod Finished
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The distinction, that in miracles it is God's will, and in magic it is the human's will, is important.
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So lets say I make a magical potion that prevents arthritis. Then lets say god makes a miracle that cures everyone of arthritis. Why is my potion so much worse?
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lol, I can just see some pretender's priests and mages bickering. "Hah, what does your 'sacred' status get you but a pay cut?". 
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March 25th, 2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: ArcoBlood Mod Finished
Back to the game... I thought the sacred status also gave them the benefit of the blessing type (magic path > 4)... if they don't receive that then why have I been loading up on sacred troops??? bummer.
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March 25th, 2005, 06:40 PM
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Re: ArcoBlood Mod Finished
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Back to the game... I thought the sacred status also gave them the benefit of the blessing type (magic path > 4)... if they don't receive that then why have I been loading up on sacred troops??? bummer.
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Technically, only 'blessed' status gives combat bonuses.
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March 25th, 2005, 06:46 PM
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Which I understand is from a casting of blessing. But are the bonuses are only conferred to those that have sacred status??? That was my understanding during my read of the manual/help.
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March 25th, 2005, 07:11 PM
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Re: ArcoBlood Mod Finished
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Which I understand is from a casting of blessing. But are the bonuses are only conferred to those that have sacred status??? That was my understanding during my read of the manual/help.
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Only sacred units can be blessed. Does that answer your question or did I misunderstand?
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March 25th, 2005, 07:32 PM
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Re: ArcoBlood Mod Finished
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Which I understand is from a casting of blessing. But are the bonuses are only conferred to those that have sacred status??? That was my understanding during my read of the manual/help.
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Only sacred units can be blessed. Does that answer your question or did I misunderstand?
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Actually, no. In rare cases (mainly using shroud of the battle saint) you can end up with a unit that is blessed, but not sacred.
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