SEIV is being Pirated

[Deathstalker]

One of the problems with pirating is that it is 'cool', and the 'in thing' to do these days....I mean, heck, look at Napster, everyone was cheering them on and not understanding what Groups like Metallica were saying....the main argument was summed up best by Kid Rock: 'Heck, I'm making millions, what do I care?'(or something to that effect)...people pirate and think they are 'sticking it to the Evil Empire/Corporate Giant'....it's just not true...I havn't pirated since my Commadore 64 days and won't, it is just not fun...It's also too easy to do, most computers come with burner installed and almost any 14 year old 'geek' can crack the protection on any game....ugh!, this is (if you can tell) one of my pet peeves...

This is NOT a hackers movie or some such thing, this is real life, and stealing (in any form) is wrong, some people just NEED to grow up...

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"We are all...the sum of our scars"....(paraphrased) Matt. R. Stover-'Blade of Tyshalle'.

"Memory," the old man said softly, "is tricky. I have learned two things from it. One: That without meaningful memories, there is no life. Two: that we are desperate for our lives to make sense, to have meaning,--and at a great enough remove , all memory is malleable." -Michelle West 'Sea of Sorrows', SunSword book IV.

[Atrocities]

SE IV forums (EzBoards) {Link from Malfadors links page or from my links page.}was were the topic was posted, but it has since been locked. Perhaps the Admins of that site agree that discussion on how to pirate material, especially the game that they founded their site to support, is sick and wrong.

At least it appears that way.

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New Age Ship Yards

[BeeDee10]

One moderating factor to keep in mind is that not every warezed copy of SEIV is a "lost sale" for Shrapnel/Malfador; the vast majority of the people who download these things still wouldn't buy a legitimate copy if they _couldn't_ get it for free. There's an idiot I know who keeps pestering me to give him a copy of the full game since I recommended it to him. I keep on refusing, but he hasn't gone out and bought a legitimate copy as a result. He hasn't even bothered to expend the effort to find a warezed copy elsewhere.

I'm not condoning the practice, of course, but one shouldn't panic when one reads things like "10,000 copies of Program X that normally cost $50 each were pirated, therefore Company Y 'lost' $500,000." The actual reduction of potential income is probably much less.

[Dravis]

Yes, but I still think those Pirators SHOULD GO TO !*#@ !!!

[Saxon]

Couple of issues that I would be interested in hearing people’s thoughts about:

1. I, as a teenager and university student, was a regular pirate. Then I got a job, and realized what it meant to earn your money. I stopped pirating and started paying, as I would expect the same from others. Are most of the pirates “kids” or is this a big thing across all ages?
2. Where I used to live, there was a used bookstore, that also bought old games. They would then sell the games at a lower than retail price. Some people bought, burned copies, then sold it back. Others would play the game till they were tired of it, then sell it back. Where do these two activities fall in the eyes of the law and of people on the forum? Is it different than buying and selling used books?

I am interested to see what you all think.

[tesco samoa]

For the number 2. The license follows the software. When you sell it to the the book store they are now the license holders. When they sell it to the next person they take over the license. Now since royalities and anything else were paid with the first initial buying of the product I believe that the life of the product and where it goes should not generate more royality payment.
To me this is fine. It is the way it should be.

I think the question here is the actual question of intellectual property.

I personaly think that the system under its current model does not work.

I think their should be a time limit set on the property. Say 20 years then it becomes public domain no matter what. And that for those 20 years that intellectual property must be protected to the fullest extent of the law and all money generated from it should go to what ever the contract on that said item gets. (really bad wording sorry)

The problem with this issue is that it has become like a debate about the existence of God. Either you believe or you don't and their is no way of changing the other persons opinions.

Right now copy right laws are being revamped. And what happens in the next 10 years will shape the future of intellectual property for the next 50 years. This is occuring in all fields ( just look at the radio transmission laws or even the RIAA )and I personally believe that the governing bodies do not hold the consumer in the best interest.

Copy right is not a moral debate. But people argue on that stance ( look at my Last sentance from the previous paragraph).

I think this gets in the way of the real issues.

Public domain should be protected. Open license agreements should be protected. Intellectual property should be protected. And the law should be protected.

It is a balancing act. But one area should not remove the idology and protections of another area.

Question.

In Canada we have the home Users agreement. It allows us to record music , tv and radio for our personal enjoyment.

But we pay royalites for purchasing blank media.
And devices are being introduced that break the home Users agreement.

The question I ask is:

What should be the home Users rights be now and what should become?

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[tesco samoa]

Topic Topic Starter Replies Last Post
SEIV is being Pirated Atrocities 10 24 August 2001 14:52
A pirates life for me... WhiteHojo 365 24 August 2001 14:32

top two threads right now.

Made me laugh

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