SEIV is being Pirated

[Dravis]

Yes, but I still think those Pirators SHOULD GO TO !*#@ !!!

[Saxon]

Couple of issues that I would be interested in hearing people’s thoughts about:

1. I, as a teenager and university student, was a regular pirate. Then I got a job, and realized what it meant to earn your money. I stopped pirating and started paying, as I would expect the same from others. Are most of the pirates “kids” or is this a big thing across all ages?
2. Where I used to live, there was a used bookstore, that also bought old games. They would then sell the games at a lower than retail price. Some people bought, burned copies, then sold it back. Others would play the game till they were tired of it, then sell it back. Where do these two activities fall in the eyes of the law and of people on the forum? Is it different than buying and selling used books?

I am interested to see what you all think.

[tesco samoa]

For the number 2. The license follows the software. When you sell it to the the book store they are now the license holders. When they sell it to the next person they take over the license. Now since royalities and anything else were paid with the first initial buying of the product I believe that the life of the product and where it goes should not generate more royality payment.
To me this is fine. It is the way it should be.

I think the question here is the actual question of intellectual property.

I personaly think that the system under its current model does not work.

I think their should be a time limit set on the property. Say 20 years then it becomes public domain no matter what. And that for those 20 years that intellectual property must be protected to the fullest extent of the law and all money generated from it should go to what ever the contract on that said item gets. (really bad wording sorry)

The problem with this issue is that it has become like a debate about the existence of God. Either you believe or you don't and their is no way of changing the other persons opinions.

Right now copy right laws are being revamped. And what happens in the next 10 years will shape the future of intellectual property for the next 50 years. This is occuring in all fields ( just look at the radio transmission laws or even the RIAA )and I personally believe that the governing bodies do not hold the consumer in the best interest.

Copy right is not a moral debate. But people argue on that stance ( look at my Last sentance from the previous paragraph).

I think this gets in the way of the real issues.

Public domain should be protected. Open license agreements should be protected. Intellectual property should be protected. And the law should be protected.

It is a balancing act. But one area should not remove the idology and protections of another area.

Question.

In Canada we have the home Users agreement. It allows us to record music , tv and radio for our personal enjoyment.

But we pay royalites for purchasing blank media.
And devices are being introduced that break the home Users agreement.

The question I ask is:

What should be the home Users rights be now and what should become?

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[tesco samoa]

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SEIV is being Pirated Atrocities 10 24 August 2001 14:52
A pirates life for me... WhiteHojo 365 24 August 2001 14:32

top two threads right now.

Made me laugh

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[disabled]

In case you are wondering, it was I who closed those topic on 'CollegeParty' and then got him Banned from ezboard completely for his actions.

I cannot tolerate people like that.

Ezboard also is looking into legal action because he has done this in many other forums as I'm told.

I also think Microsoft is searching for him because he has a hotmail email account and that would count as severe email abuse.

He seemed to be a fairly sad person.

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[This message has been edited by Hadrian Aventine (edited 24 August 2001).]

[Argh]

Well . . . hrmm. I must admit, I'd think that an all-Online gaming company would actually have far FEWER problems with piracy. . . if they used proper security.

A typical example would be the Pixels 3D software company. I've bought several revisions of their incredibly powerful(and relatively cheap) 3D animation software, and they have effectively locked every install by using the following method: they have a key generator that creates a unique key string tied to the serial number of the BIOS. Whenever I install the software, I'm unable to use it at all until I've gone Online and registered the software. . . whereupon a matching string is sent to me.

This works much better than either:

A. Trusting your customers not to make copies with their burners and simple cracking tools.

B. Sending out a serial/registration code on the jewelbox and locking the CD to the game. Again, it's too darn easy to break the code if you have both strings and can watch the registers. . . you don't need to be very good, either

Anyhow, Pixels' copy protection sounds like a royal pain in the rear for end-Users, right? Well. . . no! Since Pixels sells all of its software Online, and distributes through one supplier(sound familiar, Richard?) . . . all of the Users already have the expectation of having to deal with the software publisher's website, so having to take the extra step of registering to recieve their serial number(which can be generated from the seed provided by the machine's BIOS or any number of other unique identifiers) would provide fairly complete protection from warez hackers for a very reasonable price in terms of time and effort. Just a thought

[BeeDee10]

Well I, for one, am extremely annoyed by the vast majority of the so-called "copy-protection" schemes I've seen used on software. I don't pirate (well, with a handful of exceptions over the years , but I do back up my software because I do occasionally lose manuals and damage CDs and whatnot. I considered it a really nice feature that all I had to do to back up SEIV was to grab the setup.exe and copy it off the disk like any other file. In fact, I have only put the original CD into the computer _once_, when I first recieved it; I immediately copied it, installed from the copy, and stashed the original away in a secure place for storage.

Kudos to Shrapnel Games and Malfador Machinations for actually _trusting_ their customers! Yes, it makes it easier for the handful of idiots out there who pirate, but if it's a good game it's going to get pirated anyway unless you impose the most ridiculously draconian restrictions.