SEIV is being Pirated

Richard · #1 August 29th, 2001, 01:00 AM

Because by downloading it he adds one more vote to why the warez site handler should stay in business and probably makes him some money via banners.

Plus if you have to go through some of the sites voting mechanisms you help him that way.

Any download is a vote to the legitimacy of warez.

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geoschmo · #2 August 29th, 2001, 01:00 AM

I think the distinction is in transmitting or sharing copies of the software. Warez doesn't verify that you purchased the software, so whether or not it's ethical for you to download it, it's definelty unethical and illegal for them to upload it.

I myself have copies of SEIV on two separate PC's. That may be a technical violation of the copyright. But I would NEVER make a copy for someone, or give or sell my computer with the copy loaded on it to someone.

Geoschmo

Puke · #3 August 29th, 2001, 03:44 AM

quote:
Originally posted by tesco samoa:
What does everyone think of music??? Along the same lines???

i think that music piracy is actually generating more interest in music, and the Last studies i read on the topic actually placed music industry revenue at a significant gain since mp3 trading became popular. not that piracy is okay, and not that publishing lables are altruistic, but they are definitly wasting their time trying to fight something that is making them money, rather than trying to legitimize it by developing ways to license trading of 'reduced quality' Versions of songs and to make even more money (on top of revenue from increased interest and free marketing) on Online music.

where as software piracy does nothing but cost people money. why in the world would you pirate a game that you enjoy from a small press publisher? you are just decreasing the chances that you will ever see a game like that again. you are not even helping yourself. THINK.

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disabled · #4 August 29th, 2001, 03:59 AM

I enjoy such services as napster (even if Napster is dead and nothign can replace it) as a place I can preview music. I would like it even more if I could purchase songs on a song-by-song base as I could make my own CD's with all the songs I want. Honestly, screw 14.99 for a CD with 2 songs I want. I'd rather pay 24.99 for a CD with ALL songs I like.

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Askan Nightbringer · #5 August 29th, 2001, 05:47 AM

I have a friend who is in a band. They tour the world and stuff but never make enough money to make a career out of it. So all the band members have day jobs so they can live, play and tour.
One night at a gig, a fan runs up to him and tells him how much he likes their music and all that. He then tells him he downloaded the band's latest album off napster.
The fan got a punch in the face.

Now if you can justify to the artist/creator why its alright to rip them off then fair enough. If you can't then your just a thief, no different from the guy who steals you wallet except alot more cowardly (because you aren't facing your victims).

Askan
(Head developer for a product that gets pirated)

Saxon · #6 August 29th, 2001, 12:48 PM

Regarding music, let me ask tesco samoa if the music club he is part of returns some money to the artists/labels or not? I agree with you, 300% mark up is hard to swallow and I would be happier paying less, as long as some of it went back to the creator. If an Online retailer can give me the product I want with less mark up than that shop on Main Street, I will happily go to that store, as long as some of the cash makes it�s way back to the guy the artist.

The single song idea is great and, as Hadrian pointed out, paying more for a good CD is better than paying for a CD with only one good song on it. The music industry could do some creative things with current technology and still make good cash.

If I was the hypothetical guy who buys a SE4 license and then downloads it from a Warez site, I would follow up with an email to Richard suggesting that he investigate the possibility of creating a similar download procedure. We had to get some commercial anti virus software off the net and once our credit card cleared, they sent us a password. We then went to their site, entered the password and got a download. This allows legitimate purchasers quick access to product and skips the waiting. One could also offer a lower price, as no physical goods are created and no shipping and handling is incurred. Finally, you would never have back orders or overstocking problems.

However, I would also tell Richard that I work in the non-profit sector and don�t have a clue how to run a business, so he should take my ideas with a grain of salt!

Puke · #7 August 30th, 2001, 01:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by askan:
Now if you can justify to the artist/creator why its alright to rip them off then fair enough. If you can't then your just a thief, no different from the guy who steals you wallet except alot more cowardly (because you aren't facing your victims).

Askan
(Head developer for a product that gets pirated)

I downloaded the MP3 of 'Every Day is Halloween'

then I bought the album containing the song. I would never have purchased it otherwise. Same goes for the latest Motorhead, the classic Slayer "Seasons in the Abyss" two Sepultura albums, Boingo's self titled album, and countless more.

Without the ability to prevue music, i would not buy anything that i didnt hear at a friends place and enjoy. music stores figured that out, that why there are listening stations in every single music store now. I dont like going to stores to listen, they are full of annoying kids and degenerate beatnicks. I like to listen to music Online. If someone wants to accuse me of stealing, they can refund the money I spent buying those $12-20 dollar CDs.

maybe its a different story for people who collect songs Online and never spend a dime, but im not about to make appologies for someone elses misdeeds. And its not as if their misbehavior is what killed napster. I think the music industries over reaction to the situation killed napster, and they would probably be making alot more money if they had harnessed all that free marketing potential, instead of squelching it.