Future of the EU

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

The Dutchm valid reasons? Oh, trust me, I'm a Dutchman.

THE MAJOR REASONS FOR OUR REJECTING THE TREATY IS SIMPLY BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE WERE VERY VERY POORLY INFORMED.

I'm not eligible to vote yet but if I was eligible to vote, I'd have voted YES.

[El_Phil]

It does really depend on what the grand vision of the EU is? A united states of Europe, a trading block where you don't need passports or something in between.

We're long past option 2, you'd never get the UK to go for option 1 so it's probably option 3. Sadly half the guys who wrote the constitution wanted integration and the other half didn't. So you get grand statements of how the EU will rule the continent ignoring any form of democracy, balanced out by sub sections and articles cutting those statements back.

Result - A confused mess which would probably be used by the Eurocrats to extend their powers far futher than anybody intended. That was the previous EU treatys have meant anyway.

[Kamog]

Sorry, when I read the title of this thread I thought that it was going to be about the Star Wars Expanded Universe (EU).

[Fyron]

Kind of like how the federal government in the US constantly encroaches upon the powers of the state governments, stealing more and more central power and authority with every passing year... I forsee the exact same thing happening with the EU if it is ever made to be more than a glorified Trade and Research Alliance.

[Atrocities]

Imperator Fyron said:
Kind of like how the federal government in the US constantly encroaches upon the powers of the state governments, stealing more and more central power and authority with every passing year... I forsee the exact same thing happening with the EU if it is ever made to be more than a glorified Trade and Research Alliance.

Well said. Sooner or later all of us, those not associated with the power of Government, will be subservient to those who are. I fear that one day Government will give way to the corporate mentality that human beings are little more than a renewable resource cropped for exploitation. They say slavery has pretty much ended, I say that it has only just begun. As the margin between the worlds wealthy and poor continues to widen more and more "elite" people are adopting the "all about me" mentality turning their noses up at folks who have to work for a meager living.

But what can we do? As the population curve continues to accelerate toward the big 7 billion mark, the freedoms that many of us have enjoyed for most of our lives will begin to disappear in the wake of unchecked population growth.

There is no hope for a happy future, just one of more of the same or less than what we have now. Sure this is a gloomily view of the future, but the evidence is not lying to us. Its there for all too see. The future is gloomy and the only way people are going to be able to live is by surviving upon the hand me down hand outs of their elitist governments who's members have grown fat and decadent on the backs of the starvation and destitution that they have caused with their "Me Only" life styles.

The bleakness of a Soilent Green type of future is a distinct and real possibility whether we like to admit it or not. Sooner or later our ability to survive in an economic capitalistic environment will grow unattainable and people will begin to slip into poverty and ultimately utter complete destitution. It is already happening even though many of our governments deny it. If you deny something that is happening all around you, perhaps you can make it not happen at all. Those who subscribe to the ideal that nothing is wrong with our societies and our way of living are just kidding themselves. One day, and I fear it won't be that far off, say forty or fifty years, there will be another war, sparked not by the politics of nations, or even by the desire to control all that can be controlled, but by a far more simple source, the fundamental need to survive and to take what others have in order to do so.

Some will want what you have, and you will want to keep it. They will cloak their intentions behind a vial of lies, but when it boils right down to it, it will not be a war about ideology, religion, or even rights; it will simply be a war over greed. And when this war has been fought many times over, what will remain will not be worth having as our race begins to slip into extinction. And when the day comes that the last human on Earth draws breath, his or her death will not be an act of God, but an act of mercy. We will have brought this upon ourselves for allowing our faith in those we elect to lead us, blind us to the old saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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[narf poit chez BOOM]

I do beleive things are going to get worse - Alot worse - Before they get better. But they will get better. Civilization goes in cycles.

[El_Phil]

Atrocities said:

Well said. Sooner or later all of us, those not associated with the power of Government, will be subservient to those who are. I fear that one day Government will give way to the corporate mentality that human beings are little more than a renewable resource cropped for exploitation. They say slavery has pretty much ended, I say that it has only just begun. As the margin between the worlds wealthy and poor continues to widen more and more "elite" people are adopting the "all about me" mentality turning their noses up at folks who have to work for a meager living.

But what can we do? As the population curve continues to accelerate toward the big 7 billion mark, the freedoms that many of us have enjoyed for most of our lives will begin to disappear in the wake of unchecked population growth.

There is no hope for a happy future, just one of more of the same or less than what we have now. Sure this is a gloomily view of the future, but the evidence is not lying to us. Its there for all too see. The future is gloomy and the only way people are going to be able to live is by surviving upon the hand me down hand outs of their elitist governments who's members have grown fat and decadent on the backs of the starvation and destitution that they have caused with their "Me Only" life styles.

The bleakness of a Soilent Green type of future is a distinct and real possibility whether we like to admit it or not. Sooner or later our ability to survive in an economic capitalistic environment will grow unattainable and people will begin to slip into poverty and ultimately utter complete destitution. It is already happening even though many of our governments deny it. If you deny something that is happening all around you, perhaps you can make it not happen at all. Those who subscribe to the ideal that nothing is wrong with our societies and our way of living are just kidding themselves. One day, and I fear it won't be that far off, say forty or fifty years, there will be another war, sparked not by the politics of nations, or even by the desire to control all that can be controlled, but by a far more simple source, the fundamental need to survive and to take what others have in order to do so.

Some will want what you have, and you will want to keep it. They will cloak their intentions behind a vial of lies, but when it boils right down to it, it will not be a war about ideology, religion, or even rights; it will simply be a war over greed. And when this war has been fought many times over, what will remain will not be worth having as our race begins to slip into extinction. And when the day comes that the last human on Earth draws breath, his or her death will not be an act of God, but an act of mercy. We will have brought this upon ourselves for allowing our faith in those we elect to lead us, blind us to the old saying that absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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But kittens are still great right?

[Atrocities]

Kittens shall rule the Earth.

Dogscoff, I love you man. That was simply brillant. You are now the official editor of my Doom & Gloom News Letter.

Seriously, that was just poetic. Well done!

[dogscoff]

Kittens shall rule the Earth.

And I would like to be the first to welcome our new feline overlords.

*me goes out and buys up tons of catnip toys, balls of string, cartons of fresh cream etc...

[Strategia_In_Ultima]

Steel Panthers is historically accurate IIRC, so it might very well be true.

The LeClerc MBT is not the fastest MBT in the world, I read about a tank that could reach up to 70 or 80 or so kph on a road and just over 100 kph on a race track, but I forgot it's name and I haven't got the magazine in which I read it on hand.

Honestly, you try for a joke and you end up with more than is healthy to know about US tank engines.

Huh? Mesa no get dis.