OT: Stupid Nazis

[TerranC]

Starhawk said:
TerranC point being saying "Black Power" movements have never caused a World War is sort of like saying it's all the White man's fault that there were wars

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TerranC said:
My comparison of heterosexuals regards to their relationship with homosexuals and americans of african descent and americans of european descent was only invoked to rebuke AT's flawed comparison of white power movements to black power movements or gay pride movements. I, in no way possible, said, meant to say, or alluded to saying that all whites are KKK members, or all germans are Nazis

So if you want to "generalize' I think you'd have to say the only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is because the vast majority of those in Black Power movements aren't bright enough or charismatic enough to gain any kind of real power.

The only reason black power movements have never caused a world war is they don't preach it.

As for your very, very flawed comment about no one in black power movements being charismatic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokely_Carmichael
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Garvey

And if you looked at Germany the Nazi party gained power because the vast majority of Europeans are white yes,

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but also because in a way they rebuilt the German infrastructure they made Germany powerful again

They did that after they gained power as a means of preparing for an efficient and massive invasion. Germany being powerful and rich for their own sakes was not part of the plan.

and they appealed not to "White pride" but GERMAN pride and GERMAN heritage as their rallying point,

They never appealed to the german public for their appeals to "German Pride" and German Heritage; They were first elected to the Reichstag because of their views on the economy, and then just barely. As Hitler set in motion his expanssionistic policies, he needed to justify them: their ideas of "german pride" and "german heritage" fit perfectly. After those ideas had outgrown their use, they were warped into the "aryan pride" and "aryan heritage" ideals we know now, which proposes that Germany isn't even German in the first place.

and as they "Liberated other Germanic nations" from the "oppression" of other countries the Germans and even hundreds of thousands of others from other surrounding nations were in a way pleased to see their "original" heritage being honored again and rising to power again after so long.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsace-Lorraine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschlu..._the_Anschluss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_T...d_World_War_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...dash.3B1945.29

It's a little known fact but there were actually HUNDREDS of AMERICANS in the German Army during WWII and I do mean pure blooded born and bred Americans that were of German heritage and who were sent over by their families to "Fight for your Fatherland".

And they were promptly killed/maimed/imprisonned/dragged off to gulags for being fanatics and simpletons. What's your point?

It was not "racism" alone That caused WWII but a mixture of economic and political problems that gave the Nazi Party it's break in the world to raise an army and get it's people riled up.

I'm not arguing that, and I have never alluded to arguing that.

1. They claim to be socialist while the real Nazi's who they claim to emulate were Fascist

You mean national socialist, which is fascist.

2. They are an undisciplined bunch of idiots while the original Nazis were strict and regimented to keep the people in line.

Which (strict regimentation) appeals to those who are undisciplined in their own upbringing.

3. The modern "Nazis" go around yelling Zeig Heil (sp?) which I've been told means "Victory and Welfare" about thirty times in a row and stomping and throwing a half assed Nazi salute.
While you'd only ever hear the real Nazis say it a handful of times in any given "ralley" much like we'd say "God bless America" or in the case of Brits "God Save the Queen" nobody would be stomping or shouting it like idiots either. I just find that funny is all.

... I won't get into the wrongness of equating Seig Heil and the sort with "God bless america" and "God save the queen" and other sort of patriotic cries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieg_heil

And let's face it the modern "White Power" movements have NEVER caused a world war and probobly never will so you can NOT say "White Power movements" or White anything caused WWII

Just what are you trying to say here? Those who are Nazis today weren't the Nazis of yesterday so they're alright? The Nazis of today are docile creatures who wouldn't dare to dream about WW3 and the sort?

because your seriously forgetting the Japanese and I don't think they subscribed to "White Power" do you?

They subscribed the idea of Japanese Exceptionalism, which might as well be a Japanese version of White Power.

The vast majority of countries who's main populace is black are dirt poor and too busy dealing with "Drugs, tribal warfare, ethnic cleansing" and other crap to cause any world wide trouble I mean have you looked at Africa lately....two words "Hell Hole" not to mention primitive people who still beleive in zombies for crying out loud! Are these the people you think would be ABLE to start a world war?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Congo_War

[Atrocities]

CAN WE PLEASE JUST LET THIS TOPIC GO?

[mottlee]

LOCK IT....DELETE IT!

[NullAshton]

I agree. Let's shove this off into the pits of the archives, never to be seen again by mortal eyes.

[Heretic]

Okay, i have considered very long weather i post in this thread or weather not. i will, as you all see.
First let me express my wondering and my "shock" when i folowed this discussion ( while reading it).
You talk about someting, i think you do not really understand. This Nazi march in Yorktown is surely an absolutely disgusting thing to hear of and you bet i would be very happy to hear that your National Guard or police SWAT would cap those goonies alltogether, but for starters, as your constitution allows such idiots to go around you will have to show courage and show up as some of you metioned and show them they are alone.
But are they really? There are for sure many decent people who care about the human rights and adore freedom and are everything but racists. But you also have a lot of folk who still thinks they are sometime in the Confederated States. KuKLuxKlan, this Militia goons, and all that other white rasist movements you have, you have named some of them, i believe there are many more. WHile you could say, you in germany have them too, i would reply: Yes, but our Nazi´s are only "armed" with their hate, their ignorant view of the modern world while your racists are armed with guns legally to put it on the top. So, the possible danger coming from yor nazis and white power "mongers" is far more capable of creating mayhem than those in germany. Adding the fact that you have a lunatic warmonger in your administration who tries to "eradicate" his "axis of evil" with the pure and cleansing fire of another crusade to the "holy lands", who plays with the fear of a lot of people to cut on the rights of these and creating a very special "land of the free" ( wher free is what patriotism dictates)and i think you have a lot of thinking to do in your land to ensure the freedom and equality of all people. You speak so easily of all this, one could think this i s asort of small talk to you all and this would surely shock me the hell out of me.
Fact is: There is discrimination of people with different "color" done by "white" men, they lash out against gays and have implemented laws against those people ( The Nazi´sdid that too) Not so long ago there was still apartheid in your country, you brought those first afro americans as slave stock to america and you really wonder why they are different? You made them to be. When i watch CNN sometime, i do nearly allways see "black" people having committed some crime or were shot. Are there no "white" criminals or are they not so important to show. The society which was ceated decades ago hasn´t still changed enough to cancel this mistakes. You call it the land of the free, but when you "conquered" the land which you now call free, you committed nearly genocide with your native indians. Oh yes, you care about them, you gave them reservations where they can live.............
Again, i excuse myself for my words with all those decent and fine folks out there, and by calling you you, i mean of course your ancestors.
Somebody said something like:"if they like to demonstrate let them and vice versa you can say if they like to be racists, let them" I say no! Try to do not let them. Stand up and stand against this mess. Stop them, if you cannot persuade them to see things right, make laws and forbit them. Be tough and have "nuts" and ban weapons.
Do yo know how difficult it is here in germany to get legally a gun as a private person? Nearly impossible and that´s okay. i do not want anybody shooting me just because he is allowed to wear a gun and he doesn´t like my face or what i say. As long as you have the courage and stand up, changes are possible.
And before you start bashing me around as a bloody german, let me say this:
My mom sat in her basement having bombs dropped at her from Brits and yanks alike, my father was in russia and came out of it in a state that it killed him years later when i was a child and my grandpa was tortured by the GESTAPO in prison for his beliefs so i am for sure no "german nazi" as mot of us aren´t; as most of you aren´tracists too.

You know,when i read such threads i got this "bad" feeling. As i said before, the danger in these things is allways that it gets smalltalk and "nonsense" having everybody say : Oh yes, yess, bad,bad........."

Thats all from me....