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Old June 30th, 2005, 02:27 PM

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Ok here we go;
Form 1979 until 1992 our infantry batalion had
1x support company (logictics only and a recce platoon),
1x Anti tank support company (3x PRAT platoon of 4x YPR 765 PRAT (TOW) and 4x Mortar platoon 120mm of 4x YPR 765 CO and 4 drawn Mortars),
3x infantry company(3x Infantry platoon of 4x YPR 765 PRI)Im a platoon a Section (2x YPR) had 1x garl gustaf and 20x law) mid/late 1980 law was replaced by AT 4 and and Garl Gustaf by Drangon.

During that period we had also YP 408 battalions same organized but 1986 all battalions were YPR 765

1992 we combined the support company with the Anti tank company but gave the AT platoons to the company’s. So the Support company had a Recce and mortar platoon and a infantry company had 3x infantry platoon and 1x PRAT platoon.

In 2007 we will replace the YPR 765 for the CV 9035 (35mm kanon)

So we had no mixed units with AT and infantry. It was not known that we mixed these. But there could always a situation that they were combined due mission.

We used to have independed Anti tank companies until early/ mid 1980 the had 2x AMX 13 tank and 2x AMX TOW in 1 platoon.
OK - from previous feedback, all mech and motor platoons are based on a 3 vehicle organisation. I presume all (wheeled and tracked) should be modified to have an extra APC + rifle section?

we have an SP-ATGM section as part of each mech/motor coy - I presume fromthe above that this should be a full platoon of 4? (with an optional coy later on where the dismounted MRAT is used - presumably a platoon of 2 vehicles and 4 MRAT teams ?)

The rifle and marine, engineer etc leg platoons are all 3 sections as well. Should that be 4 sections (ie add one HQ/support).

Nb - if the platoon HQ is a few men, then 3 sections will represent that, with the HQ spread amongst the 3 rifle sections, as we really do not want little 4 man "HQ unit - please kill me!!" instantly-recognisable units !

In other words - the leg rifle platoon and company (and any differences for say the marines) would be handy to know, if the differ from the OOB.

One other query - will dragon be replaced by Spike-SR in the mech platoons at some point, or is dragon to continue as the short range ATGM?.

if Spike-SR will be the replacement - what date, and presumably it will be called the "SRAT" as Spike-MR(AKA Gill) is the MRAT ?

I plan to finish off the modified Dutch OOB today or tomorrow - and then test it before posting for comment shortly.

Cheers
Andy
OK - from previous feedback, all mech and motor platoons are based on a 3 vehicle organisation. I presume all (wheeled and tracked) should be modified to have an extra APC + rifle section?

AGREE
only a tank platoon of a 60 tank, tank battalion had 5 tanks in a platoon. (only Centurion, Leopard 1 and leopard 1v until 1992) The leopard 2 battalions had 4 tanks in a platoon.
The MRAT platoon of a infantry company will have 6x fenneck starting this year with same load-out as MRAT vehicle recce units
And a Cheata AAA platoon has 3x Cheata and 3x stinger

we have an SP-ATGM section as part of each mech/motor coy - I presume from the above that this should be a full platoon of 4? (with an optional coy later on where the dismounted MRAT is used - presumably a platoon of 2 vehicles and 4 MRAT teams ?)

AGREE
4 vehicles in a YPR PRAT platoon
The new MRAT platoon of a infantry company will have 6 fennecks

The rifle and marine, engineer etc leg platoons are all 3 sections as well. Should that be 4 sections (ie add one HQ/support).

SORRY
I can not answer this

Nb - if the platoon HQ is a few men, then 3 sections will represent that, with the HQ spread amongst the 3 rifle sections, as we really do not want little 4 man "HQ unit - please kill me!!" instantly-recognisable units !

WE DON’T have a HQ at platoon level. It is almost the same organized as a normal group of infantry. We call 1 group a group and 2 groups a section. 2 sections a platoon.

In other words - the leg rifle platoon and company (and any differences for say the marines) would be handy to know, if the differ from the OOB.

I don’t have info on marine sorry

One other query - will dragon be replaced by Spike-SR in the mech platoons at some point, or is dragon to continue as the short range ATGM?.

SPIKE?? We don’t have a Spike at the Dutch Army. Only a Garl Gustaf and that was replaces by a dragon mid 1980

if Spike-SR will be the replacement - what date, and presumably it will be called the "SRAT" as Spike-MR(AKA Gill) is the MRAT ?

THE new SRAT is the Panzerfaust 3.The GILL is the MRAT

I plan to finish off the modified Dutch OOB today or tomorrow - and then test it before posting for comment shortly.

Well please send me the ORBAT and I will check. Many thanks
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Spike-MR is/was also known as "Gill" -
http://www.defense-update.com/directory/spike-mr.htm

Spike-LR is now simply called "spike", was also called NTD it seems..
http://www.eschel.co.il/dui/directory/spike-lr.htm

seems the manufacture changed the names? - it's confusing, anyway

ah! - there appear to be 4 variants of Spike, looking at the rafael page:
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products-use.htm

Spike-SR,MR,LR and ER

(I have not looked into the details)
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Old June 30th, 2005, 03:52 PM

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Looks like we have some great improvements of the dutch OB to look forward to soon. Thanks guys!

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Since 1996 we have the Diemaco in our organisation. The 7A1 replaced the Fal, the C8 replaced the UZI. All regular military and non fighting units received the Diemaco C7.

The Minimi entered in 2002 and replaced the MAG 7.62. Only 2 Minimi’s replaced 1x MAG.

Also since 1999 we have the Acuracy .338 2x in a platoon (each section 1x)

The Panzerfaust 3 will be from this moment 2x in a platoon (each section 1x) ammo not known but at least 6 shots but likely more.

MobHack I have some info I like to Email you. Please give Email adres.

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Since 1996 we have the Diemaco in our organisation. The 7A1 replaced the Fal, the C8 replaced the UZI. All regular military and non fighting units received the Diemaco C7.

The Minimi entered in 2002 and replaced the MAG 7.62. Only 2 Minimi’s replaced 1x MAG.

Also since 1999 we have the Acuracy .338 2x in a platoon (each section 1x)

The Panzerfaust 3 will be from this moment 2x in a platoon (each section 1x) ammo not known but at least 6 shots but likely more.

MobHack I have some info I like to Email you. Please give Email adres.

Thx
You seem to be using "section" to mean a half-paltoon, instead of the normal usage ( Americans call a sectiona "squad")? That is the old World-war One way of organising a platoon into 2 "chunks".

The C7 is there already.

I'll take your other comments on board

the panzerfaust 3 ISD was when?

I'll make those changes to the master build and that OOB will be released whenever we do a 1.01 update.

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ISD?? I f you mean when it was implemented.. From Mai this year.

Yes we still have squads
2x squads is a section
2x sections is a platoon
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Oh yes... 2x underslung granate launcher in a squad/group since 2003
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Spike-MR is/was also known as "Gill" -
http://www.defense-update.com/directory/spike-mr.htm

Spike-LR is now simply called "spike", was also called NTD it seems..
http://www.eschel.co.il/dui/directory/spike-lr.htm

seems the manufacture changed the names? - it's confusing, anyway

ah! - there appear to be 4 variants of Spike, looking at the rafael page:
http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/products-use.htm

Spike-SR,MR,LR and ER

(I have not looked into the details)
Cheers
Andy

Ok rgr thx for info
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