obat66 Sweden

[Backis]

Pergite said:
I know about the SEP, but had totally forgotten that they where looking at a tracked version as well. I have always regarded the SEP as a replacement for Patg203 ("Det stora finska mongot"), that his just as beloved as the MB Sprint .

We kinda shot ourselves in the foot demanding the heaviest armour package while at the same time thinking civilian bus axles would be good enough...

Wise men say; You can drive her in difficult terrain. ONCE!

D'OH!

Either getting more interim second hand 185's or holding out for the AMV had been better.

If we'd gotten the AMV we could probably be certain about forgetting the SEP though...

Pergite said:
Didnt you have an icon for the Archer in your OBAT? The SSG120 has already a nice icon in the new version so that work is done.

Nah, I just used the Zuzanna/Dana icon (the Frenchie porté is just to small... Archer is pretty big.

And thanks for the heads-up on the SSG! I'd missed it because 433 and 434 use the plain CV90 icon... to much hurry installing my own crap I guess...

I love the backup obat folders tho.

Pergite said:
Anyway, I will try to dig up some OOB:s for different units so we can create formations.

Kewl!

I've been spending to much time arguing here so far anyway, better get back to work.

[Pergite]

Backis said:
Nah, I just used the Zuzanna/Dana icon (the Frenchie porté is just to small... Archer is pretty big.

I had the privilege to climb around in one in Karlskoga some time ago. Its really a monster, and looks more like a spaceship than a artillery system. It has six onboard computers, how about that?

Regarding the OOB:s, I have the current army (at least the fighing part) organization under control. I follow the offical publications stating what a certain formation includes. Each unit however conducts their own "tests" regularly to see what functions and what does not, but I will go by the books on this one. The latest (pansarskyste) organization listed in SP is 98, today I guess 02 is correct

I dont know how deep we will want to run with the formrations. The game is a about combat, so is there any real need for "Tung kabelgrupp" or "Stridsvagnstransport"?

Anyway, I will go offline for about two weeks soon and go to the Med and spend some time with Mr San Miguel. Wont do much use for the Swedish OOB then, but I will be back !

[Backis]

Have a nice holiday P.

"Kabeltattare" and other "löst folk" would only be a couple of aux infantry sections and a couple of trucks which could be bought easily enough anyway.

Not sure how we will simulate writing "Helicopter" on the side of the trucks and its implications for crossing blown bridges though...

We can just represent the TT's as in the other obat's. If anyone wants the support people, again you can just buy a couple of sections of aux inf, alternatively engineers and trucks or CEV's.

[serg3d]

Bill-2 listed as multi-charge ATGM. But isn't it top-attack ?
The same with Indian Nag ATGM - listed as multi-charge...

[Backis]

Well, it does have a precursor charge...

No BILL version is supposed to be used in a direct attack profile against armour, but there its an option for use against soft targets such as trucks or semi-hardened types like buildings.

Irrelevant in this case though... it should be TA, nothing else.

[JohnT]

Backis said:
Well, it does have a precursor charge...

Irrelevant in this case though... it should be TA, nothing else.

Only IF the game had supported multi-Charge- Top attack.

Making it top-attack will reduce the effectiveness against ERA,

pick one representation of reality


Cheers
/John T.

[JaM]

I think that all Top attack ATGMs are stated as multicharge in game

[Backis]

Making it a "dual warhead" will greatly reduce its effectiveness for frontal shots against ALL targets, especially unless you fuddle the penetration values and turn it into "Super-ATGM"...

And even if we gave it fantasy values (lets say 200 to circumvent frontal HEAT protection on a MBT) high-angle induced attacks would still be defeated by armour in a way it wouldn't against a TA attack...

Nope, I'd set it as TA nad continue to ***** for either a new weapon type (TA DW) or to let all TA weapons use the DW characteristic as per default (how many non-DW TA's are there out there?).

JaM wrote
I think that all Top attack ATGMs are stated as multicharge in game

Quick check in the US OOB

TOW-2=top attack
TOW-2B=top attack
Javelin=top attack

So I'm thinking not really.

[niklas627]

BILL-2 is also a top attack system, like BILL-1

The deferens is that the BILL-1 is gong 80cm above the "sight line" and have attack system which is directed 45' down. BILL-2 is flying 2m above the "sight line" and has got a multiple charge. The charges are directed ~90'.

More about the BILL-1 is that Bofors has shooting through 1m steel.

When I was at Kråksskjutfält we did shooting through a Strv-74. The hit was on the back of the tank, going through the engine and out on the bottom.


cheers
/niklas

[Marcello]

IIRC, in the game Top attack ATGMs,class 20, are assumed to be multicharge weapons as well,which makes sense to me.
At any rate those TOW-2Bs go throught the top ERA of my fictional MBTs as if it was not even there...