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August 1st, 2005, 01:13 AM
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Re: Ermor?
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Basicly, build a lot of priests.
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I'm in the same position, sort of...although I have a few other options at my disposal. I have been trying monk hordes with Vine Ogres as the front end meat shields. In one engagement, I had about 16 Monks (Man), and I wasn't impressed with the amount of undead they banished out of the 300 strong horde. I still ended up retreating after countless battle rounds. I'll admit that the banishment looked cool, like a light show, but didn't seem to do much against the undead horde.
Am I not using enough priests? or are they to low level?
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August 1st, 2005, 01:21 AM
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Re: Ermor?
You are not using enough, else ermor is using more powerful undeads than thier normal freespawns. Level 2 priests are ideal banishers- partiularly Man's which are almost half price.
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August 1st, 2005, 01:59 AM
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Re: Ermor?
Priests which have water magic can cast quickness on themselves for double efficiency (I think a water-9 blessing would work well in most cases as well).
Anyway, the ultimate undead horde (AE) killer is alteration-7 Bone Grinding, it doesn't say so in the spell description, but since AE undead are... Well... Bones, it grinds them up and kills them all, or atleast that's how I lost a horde of longdead horsemen to an AI once. It is however quite hard to get enough death magic levels on one mage to cast the spell (unless you are Ermor...).
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August 1st, 2005, 02:19 AM
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Re: Ermor?
As said before, there are many anti-undead spells, items and even units. Using them, superior numbers of undead won't be enough. AI can't use these tactics correctly, and playing Ermor's, Pangaea's or C'tis' undead themes against AI is very easy.
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August 1st, 2005, 09:18 AM
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Re: Ermor?
Astral mages casting mental attack spells like Paralyze, Mind Burn, Soul Slay, etc., ignore the mindless undead, and those spells have 100 Range and 100 Precision (but MR negates). If you are fighting the Ashen Empire theme, often the only units with minds will be Ghouls and the commanders. If you can kill alll the commanders, the mindless undead will stop fighting and dissolve.
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August 1st, 2005, 09:53 AM
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Re: Ermor?
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Anyway, the ultimate undead horde (AE) killer is alteration-7 Bone Grinding, it doesn't say so in the spell description, but since AE undead are... Well... Bones, it grinds them up and kills them all, or atleast that's how I lost a horde of longdead horsemen to an AI once. It is however quite hard to get enough death magic levels on one mage to cast the spell (unless you are Ermor...).
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Er, don't you mean Wither Bones? Bone Grinding damages *all* units on the battlefield, normal and undead alike, including your own. Wither Bones is undead-specific.
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August 1st, 2005, 11:05 AM
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Re: Ermor?
A number of other spells are very effective against the petty undead hordes as well, presuming you have the proper mages. For example, Abysia can easily destroy huge armies of normal undead using spells like Falling Fires, never bothering to cast Holy Pyre or Banishment. Bladewind is also pretty good, especially against Soul Gate's ethereal but fragile minions.
And of course, one thing no one's mentioned here is the need for nature magic, as you really need to get wine skins or other supply producing items to go very far into Ermor's dominion (unless you're using summoned troops with no need to eat).
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August 1st, 2005, 02:01 PM
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Re: Ermor?
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it grinds them up and kills them all
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Er, don't you mean Wither Bones? Bone Grinding damages *all* units on the battlefield, normal and undead alike, including your own. Wither Bones is undead-specific.
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Let me rephrase my misguiding quote:
Bone Grinding auto kills all skeletal undead because they are made purely from bones.
I'm not 100% sure its true, but 300 Longdead Horsemen and some more misc. Longdead troops say otherwise.
So with one spellcast, you destroy all of the undead.
A good spellcaster for that is the Lich, you can easily give him the requiered Death paths and he is immortal, so he can attack the army, grind, and escape, with no risk at all (under friendly dominion) and with a great chance of destroying an entire (or most of) undead legion.
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August 1st, 2005, 02:54 PM
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Re: Ermor?
I recently posted that in my current SP game Ermor had a few spots on the map where it had over 400 troop. But I found that I could win an open battle against it with an army of about 150 mixed troops, a couple of mages and a couple of priest.
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December 30th, 2005, 08:30 PM
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Re: Ermor?
Solar brilliance too. Fairly high level, but destroys armies. My quickend priest-5 prophet with the forbidden light currently has about 6000 kills. Big spells like flame stome are good, as is fire storm. Not niefel flames.
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