Chassis Cost of Mages

[Huzurdaddi]

Not sure if I posted this before, but it is kind of interesting. This is computed by subtracting the cost of the paths ( as specified by illwinter ) from the cost of the unit. As an note I think that the forumla used by illwinter has a problem with preist mages. While mages with more than one path get a discount for every subsequent path there is no discount for holy.

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    High Seraph                                   -55

    Circle Master                                 -50

    Bishop Fish                                   -30

    Deep Seer                                     -30

    Theurg                                        -20

    Daughter of Avalon                            -10

    Seraph                                        -10

    Sauromancer                                   -10

    Sauromancer                                   -10

    Grand Master                                  -10

    Arch Theurg                                   -10

    Troll King                                     0

    Crone of Avalon                                0

    Dwarven Smith                                  5

    Astrologer                                     5

    Dwarven Smith                                  5

    Sorceress                                     7.5

    Adept of the Silver Order                     7.5

    Adept of the Iron Order                       7.5

    Adept of the Golden Order                     7.5

    Monk                                           10

    Conjurer                                       10

    Azure Mage                                     10

    Hierodule                                      20

    Friar                                          20

    Black Acolyte                                  20

    Witch Doctor                                   20

    Mother of Avalon                               20

    Mystic                                         20

    Witch Hunter                                   20

    Goetic Master                                  20

    Sage                                           20

    Illusionist                                    20

    Ermorian Cultist                               25

    Amber Clan Priest                              25

    Vaetti Hag                                     25

    Vaetti Hag                                     25

    Master of the Dead                             25

    Bard                                           25

    Master of the Way                              25

    Jade Priestess                                 25

    Jade Sorceress                                 25

    Galderman                                      25

    Gnome                                          25

    Elludian Moon Mage                            27.5

    Wizard of the Crescent Moon                   27.5

    Eye of the Lord                                30

    Ceremonial Master                              30

    Priest                                         30

    Priest                                         30

    Initiate of the Deep                           30

    Seithkona                                      30

    Diabolist                                      30

    Mictlan Priest                                 30

    Serpent Acolyte                                30

    Fortune Teller                                 30

    Crystal Priestess                              30

    Garnet Priestess                               30

    Inquisitor                                     30

    Priestess                                      30

    Dryad                                          30

    Thaumaturg                                     30

    Onyx Priestess                                 30

    Volva                                          30

    Harab Seraph                                   30

    Seraph                                         30

    Master Smith                                   30

    Crystal Sorceress                              30

    Onyx Sorceress                                 30

    Druid                                          30

    Royal Navigator                                30

    Svartalf                                       30

    Svartalf                                       30

    Serpent Priest                                 30

    Moon Priest                                    30

    Rain Priest                                    30

    Harab Elder                                    30

    High Inquisitor                                30

    High Priest of the Sun                         30

    Lore Master                                    30

    Necromancer                                    30

    Crystal Mage                                   30

    Pyromancer                                     30

    High Magus                                     30

    Adept of Pyriphlegeton                         30

    Magus                                          30

    High Priest                                    30

    Bloodhenge Druid                               30

    Animist                                        30

    Druid                                          30

    Enchanter                                      30

    Moon Mage                                      30

    Shadow Seer                                    30

    Azure Initiate                                 30

    Hydromancer                                    30

    Black Priest                                   35

    Initiate                                       35

    Missionary                                     40

    Seraphine                                      40

    Voice of the Lord                              40

    Chartmaker                                     40

    Harab Seraph                                   40

    Newt                                           40

    Black Dryad                                    40

    Theurg Acolyte                                 40

    Keeper of the Tombs                            40

    Amber Clan Mage                                40

    Warlock Apprentice                             40

    Garnet Sorceress                               40

    Marshmaster                                    40

    Warlock                                        40

    Grand Thaumaturg                               40

    Celestial Master (flying)                      45

    Starspawn                                      45

    Ear of the Lord                                50

    Minister of Rituals                            50

    Illuminated One                                50

    Sorceress                                      50

    Sanguine Acolyte                               50

    Sorcerer                                       50

    Member of the Second Tier                      50

    Asmeg Jarl                                     50

    Priest King                                    50

    Triton King                                    50

    Witch                                          50

    Enchantress                                    50

    Star Child                                     55

    Consort                                        60

    Centaur Hierophant                             60

    Empoisoner                                     60

    Shaman                                         60

    Shaman                                         60

    Dryad                                          60

    Norna                                          60

    Celestial Master                               60

    Sanguine Anathemant                            60

    Anathemant Salamander                          60

    Demonbred                                      60

    Anathemant Dragon                              60

    Sorceress                                      60

    Sea Father                                     60

    Battle Deacon                                  70

    High Priest of Ctis                            70

    Sidhe Champion                                 70

    Master of the Five Elements                    70

    Siren                                          70

    Black Sorcerer                                 70

    Starspawn                                      70

    Wizard                                         70

    Wizard                                         70

    Ice Druid                                      70

    Sorcerer                                      72.5

    Coral Queen                                    80

    Jotun Skratti                                  80

    King of the Deep                               80

    Enchantress                                    80

    Jotun Jarl                                    110

    Paladin                                       110

    Siren                                         110

    Vanherse                                      110

    Panic Apostate                                110

    Pandemoniac                                   110

    Tuatha                                        110

    Fire Lord                                     110

    Vanjarl                                       120

    Sidhe Lord                                    120

    Pan                                           120

    Capricorn                                     120

    Hangadrott                                    120

    Lizard King                                   130

    Navigator                                     130

    Pan                                           140

    Vanadrott                                     140

    Warrior Mage                                  140

    Jotun Gode                                    150

    Gygja                                         150

    Capricorn                                     220

    Niefel Jarl                                   240

    Alchemist                                     240

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Edit: I had the black Preist as have 3U instead of 3H. Which put his cost way out of wack. My mistake. He went from -65 to 35.

[PvK]

Very interesting... thanks for all the work!

[archaeolept]

that's cool

[Kristoffer O]

Just curious, where do the fractions come from? Random skills?

[Molog]

What do those numbers mean exactly?

[Nerfix]

Intresting.

[Huzurdaddi]

Kristoffer O said:
Just curious, where do the fractions come from? Random skills?

Yes they come from the random skills. Although at this point I do have to confess. For the 1st few mages I was rigorous with the calculation of the cost of random skills. After that I think I gave them a fixed cost depending upon the number of skills the mage had so I could be off by a couple of gold in some cases but no more than 5 (I tested the estimate vs. a true calculation a few times and it was decent).

Molog said:
What do those numbers mean exactly?

The numbers show how much you are paying for the chasis of your mages. For example if you could buy a High Seraph without magic he would cost -55 gold! Or if you could buy a Lizard King without the 4 holy he would cost 130 gold. Those are two examples which are a little out of wack. You could also buy a Nifel Jarl for 240, which would be a decent deal, or you could buy Sidhe Lord for 120, another interesting deal.

[SurvivalistMerc]

I can think of a reason for there being occasional chassis cost that is higher or lower than average...some paths have more or less synergy than others. For instance D1S1 is very nice on a cheap mage for astral darts. Have you compared this to some subjective sense of path synergy?

[Huzurdaddi]

SurvivalistMerc said:
I can think of a reason for there being occasional chassis cost that is higher or lower than average...some paths have more or less synergy than others. For instance D1S1 is very nice on a cheap mage for astral darts. Have you compared this to some subjective sense of path synergy?

I don't think that there was a lot of that type of fudging going on when Illwinter was pricing the mages. The Seithkona, for example, is 30 gold the exact amount that Illwinter specifies for the base amount for a mage.

One of the reasons why some mages have a higher base cost is a tough chassis or a chassis. For example: Starspawn (45, 70), King of the deep ( 80 ), Pan ( 120 ), Gygja ( 150). Other chassis cost more due to signifigant combat ability. Ex: Niefel Jarl (240), Vanadrott (140), Paladin ( 110). Some chassis are cheaper for national flavor: High Seraph ( -55 ), Sauramancer ( -10 ). Some chassis are cheaper due to the crazy pricing of holy mages: Thurg ( -20), Arch Thrurg ( - 10 ), Grand Master ( -10 ). Some are difficult to explain Norna 60 gold??

What this chart does though is show which mages are really cost effective and which ones are not. I, and many other players, really like to buy High Seraphs, Seraphs, Sauramancers, Dwarven Smiths, Deep Seers, and Astrologer and for good reason! Also many players find that Gygja's and Jotun Skratti are really pricey and indeed they are.