winMBT low percentile hits

[Shadowcougar]

BigJim said:
Heh heh if you want to watch the computer "get stuck" on low to hit numbers play the second campaigne where you have to make a river crossing and kill tons of tanks on the the other side after you have over come the "buried tanks" on the shore line and all the mines. I have played this one twice and every time I play the AI gets consistant hits and kills at anywhere from 3% to not more than 30% chance to hit. It ALWAYS gets low to hit kills on "key" equipment LOL this has been the rap of Steel Panthers since it first came out 10 years ago and not much has changed. Air Power is also poorly done "friendly fire" is the rule NOT the exception in this game (unless of course the AI is using it then it seems to behave correctly). I have had friendly aircraft divert 15 hexes to hit my own troops.

Big Jim The Air Force just hates you and that is why you get bombed

Like Don said, you just need to target correctly and follow the advice he gave you. Have found that out several years ago.

Forget once recently and go bombed by a B-52 and that hurt

[RVPERTVS]

Hey Don, what do you mean by "I almost NEVER get a blue on blue targeting airstrikes and anyone who does simple isn'ts doing it correctly"

By "blue on blue" you mean aircraft hitting targets from the same team or what?

I really don´t understand what BigJim means, I´ve been playing this game for nearly 3 months now since I begin with the dos V (I´m such a rookie) and I use air support a lot and so far I haven´t experience friendly aircraft fire.

By the way, I got my CD 3 days ago and everything is running correctly down here..great game¡¡¡, it is all I play. Congratulations.

[FJ_MD]

Blue on blue is synonymous of friendly fire. In this case it is intended when your aircraft come in and strafe and bomb your own units.

[Marek_Tucan]

Yes, Blue on Blue is a Friendly Fire and I got it in my long time SP playing just VERY few times. I take care after my first amicide incident when back in good old SP1 a Thunderbolt hit Sherman with 5inch rockets. The Sherman survived but since that time I take care.

OTOH I have seen many friendly fire incident on AI side, recenty in a large battle Czechoslovakia-Egypt in 1986 IIRC, Egypt got 8 F-16's, 3 of them have attacked one T-72 (and only suppressed it), 2 others have attacked other T-72 (and suppressed it), one attacked Egyptian T-62 (and missed), other two went massacring Egyptian APC's

[Alpha]

yup, the AI also does friendly fire, i play against soviets and it seems they have enough troops to waste, since their arty mostly targets portions of own troops hehe.

[Weasel]

Ok, I ran a test in winmbt against human opponents counting the number of times a tank's main gun fires and hits/misses, or a missile hits/misses. Here is what I got after 200 shots, H=hit, M=miss

3% 1H
4% 1H 1M
5% 2M
7% 1M
8% 1H 1M
9% 2M
11% 1M
12% 1H 2M
14% 3H 4M
15% 1M
16% 3H 4M
17% 2H 1M
18% 3M
19% 2M
20% 2H 3M
21% 4H 1M
22% 2H 2M
23% 2H 4M
24% 5H 3M
25% 5H 3M
26% 2H 4M
27% 1H 4M
28% 3M
29% 3H 2M
30% 2H 6M
31% 1H 2M
32% 2H 1M
33% 6M
34% 1H 4M
35% 1H 1M
36% 1H 2M
37% 1M
38% 1M
40% 3H
41% 1H 3M
42% 4H 3M
43% 3M
44% 2H 1M
45% 2M
47% 2H 1M
48% 1M
49% 1H
50% 2M
51% 1H 2M
52% 1H
53% 1H 1M
54% 2H
55% 2M
56% 1M
57% 1H
60% 1H 1M
61% 2M
63% 1H 5M
64% 1M
66% 1H
67% 2H
68% 1H
71% 1H 1M
73% 3H
74% 1H
75% 2H 1M
76% 1H
78% 1H
79% 2H
85% 1H
90% 1H
91% 1H
93% 1H
94% 2H 1M
99% 4H

As you can see from above the majority of % to hit in winMBT are below 50% yet you still have about a 61% to hit. Now I am no scientist and I don't know how much value the above table is, but it seems to me that if you have a low % shot take it as the odds seem pretty good that the round will strike home.

[narwan]

Some quick math based on your table shows that the average hit percentage per shot for those at 20% or lower is 12%.

14 out of 42 shots were hits though giving a 33%.

Are your scores based on the % shown in the 'target' screen or the listed percentages on screen when actually firing?

[Weasel]

The % are the final % shown when the shot is fired.

[Weasel]

So was this ever looked at? Just wondering as the game continues to kill at incredible low odds (just lost 5 M18s to 25% chances or less from long range). BTW Narwan, I am not sure of your math, but my math of 20% or less shots shows that out of a total of 42 shots fired, 14 hit or 33%, shouldn't this max out a 20%? And if you go to 25% then 32 hit out of 73 shots, or 44%.

[Wdll]

No.
20% is for each hit, not for all your hits added together.