Microsoft VISTA - Page 2

El_Phil · #1 September 14th, 2005, 11:19 AM

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Renegade 13 said:
People hate MS because people hate success. That's just how the human psyche works it seems. He's successful, and we want to be as successful as he is, but can't be, so we'll hate him instead.

I don't hate success, I just dislike seeing cheaters prosper. He's broken many laws and gotten a minor slap on the wrist, it is annoying.

However Windows is still better than the competiton, no-one has produced anything better for my gaming needs. Yes Bill has done everything in his power to stifle and stop any competition, but that's the world. If he'd done it fairly I wouldn't mind.

What I dislike is breaking the law to do so and then not getting punished for it.

bearclaw · #2 September 14th, 2005, 03:52 PM

I'm all with Thermodyne on this topic. Can't recall where the comment came from but it was said years ago that Computer are NOT ready for the general public to use, but without the general public using them, they never will be. I see this time period as the same as when you had to crank your phone to get an operator, then tell them who you wanted to call, they 'rang' the exchange with a certain coded ring (2 short, 1 long for instance) and everyone's phone would ring. Then you had to hope that the correct person you were calling picks up their phone and not their neighbor.

It's all growing pains. IMO, it will be a while yet before we've got the idiot proof computer but it took 25-30 years to get the idiot proof phone.

NullAshton · #3 September 14th, 2005, 04:01 PM

Phones can be ruined my idiots? That, I have to see for myself.

Why would I only play se4? Sure, it runs on other systems with emulators... But is that all to life? Wine would have a fit if it tried running Battlefield 2, much less all these other games I have. Star Wars Galaxies, Planetside, some other games I'm sure... Windows is simply the best OS for the job of playing games.

El_Phil · #4 September 14th, 2005, 04:03 PM

All new in Vista.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/09/13/gates_vista/

So we have RSS, better searching and flipping windows. And who knows how much slower. Oh and they'll be porting bits of it to XP anyway.

If your getting a new machine with an OS installed it might as well be the newest one (if you can't get a bare bones machine) but I'm not seeing any compelling reason to change. Of course I thought that about XP until multiple programmes would only run properly, or at all, under it.

Renegade 13 · #5 September 14th, 2005, 04:03 PM

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El_Phil said:

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Renegade 13 said:
People hate MS because people hate success. That's just how the human psyche works it seems. He's successful, and we want to be as successful as he is, but can't be, so we'll hate him instead.

I don't hate success, I just dislike seeing cheaters prosper. He's broken many laws and gotten a minor slap on the wrist, it is annoying.

However Windows is still better than the competiton, no-one has produced anything better for my gaming needs. Yes Bill has done everything in his power to stifle and stop any competition, but that's the world. If he'd done it fairly I wouldn't mind.

What I dislike is breaking the law to do so and then not getting punished for it.

What laws has he broken? I'm sincerely curious here, not trying to be argumentative, by the way

I don't really keep up on that kind of thing!

NullAshton · #6 September 14th, 2005, 04:06 PM

I think there was a few anti-trust lawsuits or something.

El_Phil · #7 September 14th, 2005, 04:17 PM

Mainly monopoly laws, or anti-trust as the Americans call it. Also unpleasent buisness practices.

In no paticular order it was illegaly nasty to IBM.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/01/ibm_ms_settle/
There was also deliberatly writing programs to break if IBMs Dr DOS was detected so programmes would only work on MS DOS. Not perhaps illegal, but underhand.

Commited serious anti-trust offences (Became a monopoly illegaly and then abused its position)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/11...eal_microsoft/
But got off when Bush got into power (allegedly

). In any case the DoJ cut a deal shortly after the election

Oh and annoyed the EU by abusing its dominant OS position to force feed media player to customers. There are other cases still ambling through the courts.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/06/09/ms_wmp_windows/

There has also been a very clear understanding, if OEMs and system builders wanted to have Windows then on competing software could be bundled. This would be fine, but by this time ('98 ish) Windows was a defacto monopoly and so it would be commercial suicide not to sell PCs with Windows on. This is called 'Abusing a monopoly position.'

PvK · #8 September 24th, 2005, 02:17 PM

Vista/Longhorn seems highly evil to me. M$ intends to continue leveraging its monopoly to get people subscribing and paying them regularly for the priviledge of using their latest bloatware, which in turn will do its best to deny them the right to copy data freely and privately.

XP is already worse than bad enough for my tastes.

I use Win98SE at home because I already have licenses for it, it doesn't insist I register or activate it nor monitor my hardware changes to see if it should force me to re-activate it. I find Win98SE to be clean and lightweight and stable (when I control the machine, as opposed to what can happen from installing tons of crap and stuff from the web, etc), and it runs practically every program I really want.

I like Win2K Client too and also use it. Win2003 Client I find far less annoying than XP.

I'm liking my Linux machines more and more, though.

PvK