Soviet tank crew survival.

[Mobhack]

The Israelis liked the centurion as it was more survivable, than the early US model tanks they had.

A lot of this was apparently to do with the hydraulic fluid used in these US-sourced M60 tanks, which was apparently highly inflammable, so penetrations caused problems if the hydraulic lines were fractured and sprayed the stuff around the crew compartment. later solved with a diferent formula for the hydraulic fluid & some re-engineering.


http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/11ground/mowery.pdf

http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...-Flammable.htm

basically - high pressure hydrailic fluids as orignally fitted on M60 (before 74), could become internal flame throwers. Not nice.


Cheers
Andy

[kevineduguay1]

I like the idea of droping the crew survival on some Russian built tanks to 3. I don't think this will effect game play and will reduce the amount of full strength crew walking away from a brew up.

I also re-read a lot of the previous posts and the one that got me was posted by MOBHACK. He mentioned that other factors can influence crew survivability like warhead size etc.

Warhead size may be the answer. Most Nations do not use DU rounds. For those that do the weapons that fire DU maybe should have their Warhead size raised a bit. As it stands now all 120mm guns have a Warhead size of 7. A DU round is denser and causes more damage than any other type of pennetrator. When a DU round passes through a vehicle it creates DU dust. This dust spontaniusly combusts creating a thermal effect that lights up people, ammo, and fuel. You can read about this on the Global Security web site.

Im going to try some tests and see if this helps. Raising the Warhead size 1 or 2 values should not have to much effect on game play but could reduce crew survival.

[PlasmaKrab]

kevineduguay1 said:I like the idea of droping the crew survival on some Russian built tanks to 3. I don't think this will effect game play and will reduce the amount of full strength crew walking away from a brew up.

Erm, sorry to interrupt you, but the "survivability" rating you can tweak in MOBhack isn't directly related to the number of crewmen surviving. That should be something Andy already pointed out in a previous post. As far as I can understand it it mainly about the amount of damage an AFV can take once penetrated (the amount of overkill, so to speak) before blowing of. That's the *** you'll notice when you get a non-killing direct hit; it means that there's been some internal damage (one crew disabled, weapon destroyed, ammo reduced, immobilization...). Therefore reducing it on some units on account of risky internal layout will reduce the unit's ability to take heavy damage. As a side effect, it will indeed reduce the crew's surviving chances, but that's not the most of it.

Im going to try some tests and see if this helps. Raising the Warhead size 1 or 2 values should not have to much effect on game play but could reduce crew survival.

Look, the WH size has an influence on many other parameters, like (least significantly) the impact sound and animation, the craterization of the ground, the actual armor penetration...
For one thing, it deals with all warhead types, HE and HEAT as well. Does the fact that a tank uses DU rounds gives him better HEDP rounds? IIRC it also deals with the reload speed and the actual in game ROF. Rise the WHsize and you'll end up with fewer shots on your dear Abrams...
Basically, for guns, the WH size is a translation of the caliber. Has the US army switched to the 140mm gun already?
You may try it of course, but I bet that the side effects will be a surprising overkill, at best. Given that a DU round has all these effects you described (and I don't see why a steel- or tungsten-based rod wouldn't behave more or less the same way, not even mentioning HEAT warheads), the best option IMO is to give it a better penetration, since the penetration overkill (i.e. total penetration available minus total armor encountered) will be one of the most preeminent factors in calculating the inner damage.