OT: Recording Industry Ripoff - Page 2

Xrati · #11 September 22nd, 2005, 10:57 AM

Remember El_Phil "CHANGE IS GOOD!" I think?

I find it funny that as always the RIAA goes after the small people rather then the 'Site or soure' of the downloads. I guess that they figure it would be easier to go after people who probably can't afford a lawyer rather than a larger target that could. It's like going after the 'drug users' rather then going after the 'dealers' and 'suppliers'. Go to the source of the problem to eliminate it, NOT those effected by it!

El_Phil · #12 September 22nd, 2005, 11:12 AM

It's not a site is it though? It's peer to peer networks, so there is no 'source' to go after. You can only go after the people who download (and upload of course) because there is no central point to chase. The 'source' of a peer to peer network is the people who write the protocls (too late to get them, the programmes are already out there. And ther are dozens of legit uses of peer to peer anyway).

So they have to chase the users, there is no-one else. Of course they are scum sucking maggots, but not being American I really can't work up much enthusiasm for the issue.

Fyron · #13 September 22nd, 2005, 01:03 PM

They (and the MPAA) have gone after the people that run large bit torrent tracker sites catering to piracy of music (or movies). They went after Napster, and Sharman Networks (owners of Kazaa), and other larger p2p software makers. They do not always go after just the little people.

Baron Munchausen · #14 September 22nd, 2005, 01:28 PM

Ah... NOW we see why the move for the price increases. They had sent 'cease and desist' letters to a bunch of the P2P software companies and some of them have folded as expected. WinMX network is now disconnected. Several others are having serious problems.

Fyron · #15 September 22nd, 2005, 08:31 PM

Unfortunately for them, the biggest "threat," Bit Torrent, is impossible to eliminate, as literally anyone can start up a new tracker. The MPAA and RIAA (to a lesser extent) have sued/threatened to sue the major trackers out of existence, but 10 more popped up to replace each of them. Of course, BT pales in comparison to the threat posed to sales by producing more and more of the same old crap every year, with just a handful of decent artists/movies in their lineups.

Combat Wombat · #16 September 22nd, 2005, 09:18 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
Unfortunately for them, the biggest "threat," Bit Torrent, is impossible to eliminate, as literally anyone can start up a new tracker. The MPAA and RIAA (to a lesser extent) have sued/threatened to sue the major trackers out of existence, but 10 more popped up to replace each of them. Of course, BT pales in comparison to the threat posed to sales by producing more and more of the same old crap every year, with just a handful of decent artists/movies in their lineups.

100% right on

Atrocities · #17 September 22nd, 2005, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Imperator Fyron said:
Unfortunately for them, the biggest "threat," Bit Torrent, is impossible to eliminate, as literally anyone can start up a new tracker. The MPAA and RIAA (to a lesser extent) have sued/threatened to sue the major trackers out of existence, but 10 more popped up to replace each of them. Of course, BT pales in comparison to the threat posed to sales by producing more and more of the same old crap every year, with just a handful of decent artists/movies in their lineups.

Well said.

narf poit chez BOOM · #18 September 23rd, 2005, 12:17 AM

Hey - Anybody want to list places to get independant music?

Baron Munchausen · #19 September 23rd, 2005, 01:49 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:
Unfortunately for them, the biggest "threat," Bit Torrent, is impossible to eliminate, as literally anyone can start up a new tracker. The MPAA and RIAA (to a lesser extent) have sued/threatened to sue the major trackers out of existence, but 10 more popped up to replace each of them. Of course, BT pales in comparison to the threat posed to sales by producing more and more of the same old crap every year, with just a handful of decent artists/movies in their lineups.

Not just Bittorrent. All of the P2P networks are adapting to the threat. A new peer cache for the WinMX network is being developed in 'real time' while the machines online when the original Frontcode sites went down try to hold the network together. They've got it partly working already. And of course lots of people are just going to other networks. The Kazaa/WinMX generation of P2P developed after the original Napster was sued out of existence. Now a new generation of even more decentralized P2P will be developed that doesn't need a central server. (I think at least one program already has this 'completely independent' system. Gnutella? Sharezaa? One of those newer ones.)

The thing is, online P2P has only a small fraction of the potential of simple CD copying that anyone and everyone can now do with their home PCs. The bandwidth of all those CD-RW drives is a whole lot more than the internet.

Xrati · #20 September 23rd, 2005, 04:15 PM

I guess that the RIAA is going to have to deal with a problem that they helped to create! Now Apple is telling them that their greed is not good. Will they listen or continue to waste money on aggressive legal actions that will never end p2p? OR will they start putting their money into better products. I already resent the fact that they are now heading for another format change. They've gone from vinyl to tape to DAT to CD and now to mp3, and now want a new format to combat piracy! The only piracy going on here is by them.