OT: Enterprise...What did you think?

Dracus · #1 September 28th, 2001, 06:23 PM

geoschmo is correct.
Baal you will find this going on even on the Offical ST BB's.

Baron Munchausen · #2 September 28th, 2001, 06:57 PM

Baal,

In fact, most of us COULD make a better show -- if we could do it OURSELVES. But a television show is always the product of a committee, and has to be because it's such a huge project. If you have any acquaintance with the folk-wisdom called "Murphy's Law" jokes you know what that does to the quality of the finished product, of course.

Anyway, we have every right to *****-whine-moan about the quality, or lack thereof, in our entertainment. They are trying to sell it to us. Like any other product, we need to consider its merits and deficiences so we can decide if it's worth "buying" with our time, or if we ought to do something else that would be more valuable. Finish our SE IV mods, for example.

And anyway, if you don't like to see whining about a tv show made with so much 'hard work' then you don't have to click on the thread and read it.

DISCLAIMER: This post is directed at one person. It is just an opinion anyway and it�s not as if anyone forced you to read it.

[This message has been edited by Baron Munchausen (edited 28 September 2001).]

Baron Munchausen · #3 September 28th, 2001, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by geoschmo:

One of the things about Star Trek fans that aggravated non Trek fans the most is the way we nit pick the details to death, and then reason out discrepancies between episodes and shows. For example: TOS Klingons had no cranial ridges. Then along comes Star Trek TMP in 1979, and "Klingons got ridges!". Of course it's just makeup. And the real reason for the difference is that in the 60's on a shoestring budget the producers couldn't spend a bunch of money on makeup every week. But Trek fans have had lots of fun over the years discussing the differences, and trying to explain them in a way that would fit with the "reality" of the show.( http://www.geocities.com/Area51/6559/klingon.html) Of course now that the "Enterprise" Klingons have ridges, we are going to have to modify our understanding, again.

Geoschmo

I read an interesting speculation about this recently. Someone suggested that the ruler of the Klingon Empire at the time of TOS was a xenophobe who had all space-faring Klingons surgically altered in order to disguise the true nature of the Klingon species. The small problem of the contacts already established before this policy was enacted was not dealt with... but then despots don't tend to trouble themselves with logic anyway.

So, this is not an utterly outlandish possibility.

tesco samoa · #4 September 28th, 2001, 07:07 PM

It was mentioned in the DS9 Tribbles show.

The way Worf said "Ugggggggggggggggggh I do not want to talk about it"

Sumed it all up.

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Rich04 · #5 September 28th, 2001, 09:40 PM

I liked the new show a lot and thought it was pretty good for a pilot episode.

The best thing I have heard to explain the inconsistencies between what was cannon before and now. Was that a slight temporal shift occured because of the events in First Contact. Not to mention the borg wreckage left behind. This is even more amusing since the main villan is temporal. (And since they didn't show who it was it must be a person or species we will recognize.)

The biggest thing that bugged be was that the Klingon homeworld was only 80 hours away from earth at warp 5. Damn that is close. That would make it like a few minutes away by Voyagers time.

zircher · #6 September 28th, 2001, 10:15 PM

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Originally posted by Rich04:
The biggest thing that bugged be was that the Klingon homeworld was only 80 hours away from earth at warp 5. Damn that is close. That would make it like a few minutes away by Voyagers time.

As a rule Star Trek has always had a hard time getting its distances and travel times straight. I tend to ignore it or assume that the Star Trek universe is more crowded than our own. [Given the speed of phasers, perhaps light moves slower there and light years are just a fraction of ours.] :-)

As to the Klingon's, I still prefer the history used in Star Fleet Battles. If I remember correctly, the Klingons were part of a multi-racial slave empire that overthrew the Old Kings. Thus, you can have may flavors of Klingon that share a common culture. Separate clans, civil wars, power struggles, these are Klingon things. Genetic manipulation and pLastic surgery conspiracies are not.
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geoschmo · #7 September 28th, 2001, 10:36 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Rich04:
The biggest thing that bugged be was that the Klingon homeworld was only 80 hours away from earth at warp 5. Damn that is close. That would make it like a few minutes away by Voyagers time.

Yeah, but since the universe is constantly expanding, they were closer together in "Enterprise's" day than in "Yoyager's".

(No, I don't really believe that.)