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Old October 7th, 2005, 02:24 PM
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You must recall that there are inconsistencies with this video. The boom heard is instant, not delayed, which would happen at such a far range. Watch the video frame by frame and there is a suspicious detonation prior to the missile hitting the mighty T-72.

Also, attached is a photo of the mighty Maverick, with its powerful warhead killing a M113. Note the size of the explosion. There is a considerable difference. And I do not think that diesel fuel blows up like that, unless it was contained and pressurized. I mean a whole lot of pressurized diesel, too. Furthermore, why would they load a tank with munitions and blow it up? The resulting secondary explosions, unexploded munitions, would create a very hazardous test sight.

Sorry, but this video is a bit too questionable. And you should watch your language, for one who swears is one who does not know the devil is in the details, my Javelin friend.
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Old October 7th, 2005, 10:35 PM

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Sewter,

So far your response has made the most sence. What I'm talking about is you mention of the use of live munitions on the target vehicle.
You have a valid point! Maybe they did use high explosives to simulate the ammo load of the T-72 target vehicle. This would only make sence for safety reasons as you mentioned. Did this make the vehicle explode more violently then it should have? I would have to say that it could.

But mention was made that the little blue flame between the bogies on the target vehicle were caused by an already planted explosive device. Thats just not true. That little flash was caused by the first charge of the duel warhead pennetrating the bottom hull of the vehicle.

See pic attached. This is of a Predator Light ATGM (US) hitting a target M48/M60 (Not sure which). Notice flash under vehicle.

P.S. I did not swear, it was only a minor expletive!!
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Old October 8th, 2005, 02:56 PM
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We are speaking about a warhead rated at 600mm against an armor thickness which should not be more than 40mm.That the jet would go throught the bottom should be expected.
The first charge however is typically only a small precursor charge meant to detonate ERA bricks, it should not have the energy to do that.Unless the Javelin has a different internal arrangement,that should be the result of the main charge.
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Marcello,

Thank you for mentioning the pen value of this weapon. In the game it's 450mm.
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Old October 9th, 2005, 07:43 PM
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Keep in mind however that it is a top attack weapon.
In the real world the final dive might not typically be vertical or nearly vertical but it might happen at angles of 30° or 40° or whatever from the vertical, which means greater LOS thickness.If the game engine, when dealing with top attack weapons, simply matches the warhead penetration capabilities against the top armor without factoring this factor then the missile would be more powerful than it should actually be.A solution would be reducing the warhead penetration to match a typical angle of attack.
I have run a few calculations and I found out that a 45 penetration could indeed be the outcome of a 60 warhead hitting at an approximatively 40° angle from the vertical.Take the results with caution however, the game may work in a different way or others sources gave different values for the warhead.However a 450mm warhead would be pathetic for the conventional attack profile,if you had to use it that way, so a 600mm warhead would make more sense in the real world.
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