Danish oob

[JDRDragoon]

Lot´s of things are "wrong" with the Danish OOB. Most of it has to do with TO&E and unit organization though.

The Leo 2A5 islikely to follow the general trend in modern ammunition developments, and should be upgraded with the kind of ammunition represented by the WG01 in the game, some time in the future. The L55 Gun still remains a hypothetic possibility.

Jægerkorpset uses 5 man patrols, Frømandskorpset use the more traditional 4 man "SAS inspired" layout. Weapons include MP 5 (possibly silenced) C7 Rifles, C8 carbines, G3 Rifles, Minimi and MG3 Machineguns, 7.62 and 12.7mm Sniper Rifles, AT-4 and 84mm CG AT-Weapons.

The Pirnaha isn´t used as an FO vehicle, but the M113 FO (and the leg FO´s too) unit should have a thermal sight (vis. 40) available from 1989 and forwards.

[JDRDragoon]

BTW. I would like to extend the same offer to the SPCAMo group as that polish dude just did: redo the Danish OOB. As I understand, the guidelines are as follows:

"What Andy and I need is clear information not a completed OOB. We have had too many problems with third party OOB's in the past so if you have changes you would like to have made to the Polish OOB what we need is information , on a list and if there are big differences in what you have in comparison to what we have we need source info as well."

I suppose that a list of intended changes, stating what needs changed in the current OOB and why, coupled with an example of an OOB changed in such a way would be what you are wanting in this regard, yes?

[Mobhack]

What is needed is a text file change request list, item by item, unit, weapon, formation ID numbers, new values etc as bullet ppoints. No OOB at all, thanks. We will (if the changes get implemented) make the edits to the OOB ourselves.

For major changes - we would really need some sort of supporting documentation. Preferably a pointer to an official site (e.g. for massive organisational changes).

Put into a TXT file, and attach it to the posting (saves having a massive posting in the thread ! - and means it can be easily downloaded and opened in notepad, unlike a huge post on the list.

Cheers
Andy

[JDRDragoon]

List of suggested changes with documentation? Can do. But some (if not most) of the sources are military declassified manuals, not available on the web (but available through the Royal Military Library), so you will need some other person "in-country" if you really want to verify. Or simply trust me that "Reglement for Pansertropperne 303-2. Skydeinstruktion for Kampvogn Centurion" really deals with the Centurion Tank and it´s properties ;-)

[Mobhack]

JDRDragoon said:
List of suggested changes with documentation? Can do. But some (if not most) of the sources are military declassified manuals, not available on the web (but available through the Royal Military Library), so you will need some other person "in-country" if you really want to verify. Or simply trust me that "Reglement for Pansertropperne 303-2. Skydeinstruktion for Kampvogn Centurion" really deals with the Centurion Tank and it´s properties ;-)

Denmark used to be the "baby" of one of the long term playtesters (Claus Bonnesen I seem to recall) - and he was a reserve tank officer in the Danish military as I recall. He had acces to that sort of info, and because of our relationship we could trust what he said about such things !

I think this is Claus' Danish army site: http://www.panser.dk/

However over the last couple of years others have been involved in the OOB editing - and these may not have had his detailed info.

Cheers
Andy

[JDRDragoon]

Denmark used to be the "baby" of one of the long term playtesters (Claus Bonnesen I seem to recall) - and he was a reserve tank officer in the Danish military as I recall. He had acces to that sort of info, and because of our relationship we could trust what he said about such things !

I think this is Claus' Danish army site: http://www.panser.dk/

However over the last couple of years others have been involved in the OOB editing - and these may not have had his detailed info.

Cheers
Andy

Heh. But Bonnesens work on the danish army in it´s postwar infancy (the period when BOTH british and swedish weapons, plus german leftovers were used) is still a bit lacking. I am hoping that I can add some information to this, very peculiar and very overlooked time period.

I am also a Danish Army reservist. Does that count too ;-)

[cbo]

JDRDragoon said:
Heh. But Bonnesens work on the danish army in it´s postwar infancy (the period when BOTH british and swedish weapons, plus german leftovers were used) is still a bit lacking. I am hoping that I can add some information to this, very peculiar and very overlooked time period.

The Danish OOB could certainly do with more work, so knock yourself out

IIRC the OOB I started to work on was more or less the SP2 disaster area with some minor corrections, so just about anything was an improvement. As you correctly point out, my thing is mainly the Danish Army in the 1945-1960 period and mainly about the armoured components. Aside from that, I just added what I had picked up here and there and tried to make a coherent OOB out of it. Trying to match up the units across time to allow the computer to do a decent pick also took a good deal of effort!

At the time, I did not make too much out of the many varieties of infantry weapons used, as it would've bloated the OOB with essentially identical units with identical performance using differently named weapons. But I guess that is a matter of temperament - I could easily live with one weapon - "rifle" - representing the various types used

JDRDragoon said:
I am also a Danish Army reservist. Does that count too ;-)

Nah, knowing what you are doing is what really counts

Btw, Andy gave me some undeserved credit, I have in fact never served in the army, I'm just interested in some types of military kit and organisation out of a general historical interrest.

Looking forward to your improved Danish OOB!

Claus B