OT: New PC!

[Renegade 13]

Thermodyne said:
You can not alter the multiplier on an Intel chip, and if you push the Vcore more than a couple of tenths, you’ll be flirting with sudden P4 death. Push it to 1.8v and you can measure the life in hours.

So in other words, OC'ing can easily fry a chip, if you do it wrong! Since many people don't have much knowledge of OC'ing, they really shouldn't do it since there'd be a pretty good chance that they'd totally fry something, simply by doing it wrong. On the other hand, I'm sure you're right that if done correctly OC'ing will do no harm, since when your chip lasts only 8 years instead of the 12 it might have, its so far out of date that it doesn't matter.

[Caduceus]

I love my ATI Radeon X800 XL, but check out NVIDIA New Card

[Thermodyne]

wildcard06 said:
I love my ATI Radeon X800 XL, but check out NVIDIA New Card

The 7800 sli’s are cool. The 512’s went on sale marked up to almost $800 dollars on Monday, and were sold out before the end of business on Wednesday. That 800XL is still a pretty stout card, especially since the new High end ATI cards are still more or less vapor ware. The 800 series still hold some of the higher marks.

3DMark01

[Caduceus]

Interesting...

Thermodyne are you Thermo (Rank #2)on the 3D Mark 2003 page?

Where do you work? (You can ignore if that's too personal.)

[Thermodyne]

wildcard06 said:
Interesting...

Thermodyne are you Thermo (Rank #2)on the 3D Mark 2003 page?

Where do you work? (You can ignore if that's too personal.)

Yep, that be me. Thoes are on air. I have some higher numbers with the phase change cooling, but I'm still not completly stable. Damn AMD's and coldstart lockups. As a rule, we don't publish results on non-stable systems. I got a new controller for the chiller and I'm working on a bare bones Windows install. When I get some time I'll go after #1 in 03 and 05. The #1 in 01 is a vmodded dual phase amonia coold system, I can't touch that one yet. Perhaps when I get a pair of 7800/512

Sharkys is a good forum for any of you guys with PC questions, or if you just want to talk about PC's

As to my job, PM me.

[Thermodyne]

While we are on the subject, 3DMark 05 is good bench mark. It will bring a high end OEM system to its knees. If you want to see what you have, run the mark and compare it to about position 10 on down. Above 10 and your against some tough tweaking and custom OS’s

[JAFisher44]

Well, there you have it. I have been pwned. So, I'll strap on my bib, and eat my humble pie. Listen to Thermodyne, he obviously knows what he is talking about when it comes to overclocking a comp.

Frankly OCing a comp is not something I am very interested in doing, so I have never really done any real research into it. I guess this is what I get when I relay second hand info from someone who I thought knew something about the trade.

Lesson learned. Never climb out on a limb unless you have personally checked to see if it is stable. In the future I'll personally research anything I choose to give advice on.

I'd like to think, however, that when I do have more knowledge than others I would use it to help people out rather than to lord my superiority over them. It is too bad that manners and knowledge aren't a package deal.

[Thermodyne]

Renegade 13 said:


So in other words, OC'ing can easily fry a chip, if you do it wrong! Since many people don't have much knowledge of OC'ing, they really shouldn't do it since there'd be a pretty good chance that they'd totally fry something, simply by doing it wrong. On the other hand, I'm sure you're right that if done correctly OC'ing will do no harm, since when your chip lasts only 8 years instead of the 12 it might have, its so far out of date that it doesn't matter.

Sure, there is no protection for the uninformed. But, with that said, adjusting Vcore is more advanced than basic OC’ing. And a three year old chip is usually not worth much. Unless you need it and it’s the only one you have. People “OC” all kinds of things and in so doing usually trade off some reliability for performance. Cars, RC toy cars, game consoles, their own bodies are some of the things that come to mind. TV repair has been doing it for years. Remember when that old console TV got dim when you were a kid? A man came out and for a few bucks made it as good as new. He installed a voltage kicker onto the tube harness and kicked the voltage to the guns up. I always wondered what that did to the radiation coming out the other side

Let’s state some obvious things here. IMHO You should not go hog wild OC'ing your only rig if you can't afford to replace it. And it would be best if you had a good knowledge of how PC's work before you start altering default settings.

As an example, the board listed in the build above comes with an OC’ing program. The OC ability of the board is the main reason people will pay almost $200 for it. It will allow you to OC on the fly, or to have it happen automatically only when the system needs more speed. You can set it to specific settings, or as a percentage of system speed. All you need to know is how to use a mouse. It does not allow the average user to make big Vcore changes. These still have to be done in the bios code. IIRC, the highest bump is 10%. That would work fine for anyone willing to invest in some upgraded air cooling. 5% would be fine for any stock system that was not in an overly hot environment. The ability to OC is more or less universally included in aftermarket PC parts these days. The OC’ing crowd makes up the largest segment of the market for these parts, and demand that the ability be included.

[NullAshton]

If you do overclocking right, you can get about a 15% increase in performace, at no risk to the component you're overclocking. Graphics cards are probally the easiest to overclock, since they're more resistant to heat. Simply increase the clock settings bit by bit, playtesting it for 5 minutes every time you adjust it, until you notice graphical artifacts. Then adjust the settings back a little, and do an extended playtest. If a graphics card overheats, you'll know it, because of those graphical artifacts.

[Thermodyne]

NullAshton said:
If you do overclocking right, you can get about a 15% increase in performace, at no risk to the component you're overclocking. Graphics cards are probally the easiest to overclock, since they're more resistant to heat. Simply increase the clock settings bit by bit, playtesting it for 5 minutes every time you adjust it, until you notice graphical artifacts. Then adjust the settings back a little, and do an extended playtest. If a graphics card overheats, you'll know it, because of those graphical artifacts.

50% stable, is what we shoot for, but seldom achieve. Best I ever got was 900MHz bump on a 2GHz Northwood. That was with air cooling. The low end CPU's are where the big OC's come from, because that are basicall the same parts as the high end chips. We have about 10 peeps with 50%+ OC's at the moment. Over Clocks