Are battles always one sided?

tesco samoa · #1 October 17th, 2001, 02:45 AM

I would like it if you could lose experience as well.

Retro fit a ship and experience is halved.

Lose a battle and you lose some experience. ( due to replacement crews ) and at a lesser extent with winning a battle.

After a ship get to a certain age ( without retrofits) experience drops due to wear and tear or crew rotation.

During peaceful times crew experience should drop as well over time as well back down to peace level experience. (might take 5 years )

just some ideas.

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Spoo · #2 October 17th, 2001, 06:42 AM

I think the idea of fleet experience is redundant. It would be one thing if fleet experience was reduced everytime a change to the fleet composition was made, but as it stands now, ships can be added to and subtracted from a fleet with no effect on the fleet's experience. You could swap out ships that had been in a fleet for a year and put in all new ships, and they'd still be Legendary. Not to mention fleets are basically just a tool to move large Groups of ships together, and ensure that they engage in combat at the same time. Is there really any benefit to the ships being in formation? It seems to me that having all ships break formation is gaing popularity, at least in PBW where the use of custom formations is not an option.

I say sack the fleet experience. (Ship experience is good. Keep that).

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CaptSpoogy · #3 October 17th, 2001, 06:51 AM

I'm for the scrapping the fleet experience as well. It creates too much inbalance between players in a game. A player with a legendary fleet of legendary ships has far too much power against an equivalent fleet of less experienced ships. If just the ship experience was used, it would still benefit experienced ships but in a more balanced fashion. It would also eliminate a majority of one-sided battles.

Can ship and fleet experience be modded or is it hardcoded? ie. Can I change the maximum levels of fleet and ship experience? I don't recall ever seeing any settings for this...

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Puke · #4 October 17th, 2001, 06:57 AM

i dont know if the 50% limit is coded in the settings file or something, but you can change the 20% limit that is attached to training facilities.

I think that experience should be kept as a contributing factor to a decisive victory. without it, the game would turn into the same trash you see on RTS games like dune2, warcraft, starcraft, C&C, AoE, and all the other lame clones. build a base, mass troops, charge. rinse, repeat.

taking the time to train a fleet, or keeping track of one as it progresses thru battles adds a valueable element to the game that sets it apart from the standard rabble.

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Askan Nightbringer · #5 October 17th, 2001, 07:37 AM

If the training facilities were modded to take it up closer to the 50% mark it could be alright.

That way you still get the enjoyment of spending years training your destroyers.

Askan

Cyrus · #6 October 18th, 2001, 11:35 PM

Spoo,
The way I've always looked at fleet experience is that its the experience of the Admirals commanding the fleet. Swapping ships around doesn't change the expereince of the command team. Now if you could tie fleet experience to the fleet leader you could have some serious consequenses if it gets blown away.

Spoo · #7 October 19th, 2001, 07:54 AM

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Now if you could tie fleet experience to the fleet leader you could have some serious consequenses if it gets blown away.

Now there's an idea. Too bad that probably won't be showing up anytime soon. Oh well, we can dream.

What I think would be a neat idea is dynamic to-hit bonus for all weapons. Let me explain. Suppose no empires in a given game are using Meson BLasters. If you reseasrch them, then they get say a +20% to-hit bonus. But if another race researches them, then the bonus drops to 15% and so on. It makes sense that a weapon that has never been encountered is harder to dodge, plus it adds variety to the weapon mix in the game. If every empire has the weapon then give it a negative "bonus". Just a neat idea, but with hardcode changes that would be required I don't expect to see it anytime soon. But does anyone think it has merit?

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Assume you have a 1kg squirrel
E=mc^2
E=1kg(3x10^8m/s)^2=9x10^16J
which, if I'm not mistaken, is equivilent to roughly a 50 megaton nuclear bomb.
Fear the squirrel.