OT: Something worrying

Starhawk · #2 January 22nd, 2006, 01:18 AM

And to that AT I have to say screw you......I am neither weak minded, gullible OR easily manipulated.

I don't follow easily and I hardly ever give respect without it being earned.

I am NOT a fanatical narrow minded person, I am in fact very open minded and have had friends of numerous faiths and have even had romantic interests for a Wicken girl in my time.....and a buddhist..oh and that jewish girl....and an athiest and a few christian girls.

Basically narrow minded my *** and what you just said is not only insulting but down right stupid and it suprises me that YOU would say it as you are normally quite smart and level headed.

I also have hurt plenty of people for just pissing me off or taking a swing at me without needing to say "God made me" nor have I EVER said God approved of me breaking some idiots nose for saying something nasty about my sister. OR breaking that other idiots nose for taking a swing at me...or etc.

What I'm saying is "more people have been killed for "love" "hate" and jealousy then have EVER been killed in the name of GOd." So you want to be rid of love? because that starts hate and jealousy plenty in human history.

Suicide Junkie · #3 January 22nd, 2006, 03:38 AM

Wow, I can't believe you said that Atro. That's gotta be the most trollish thing posted on this board in the last two years.
*Don't do that again*

Starhawk, you gotta calm down a bit there... you're way overreacting.

JAFisher44 · #4 January 22nd, 2006, 04:48 AM

I think that two topics turn off the brain more than anything else. Religion and Polotics.

A small disclaimer here before I get into it. I am not commenting on whether people are right or wrong, and I am not saying that people are idiots for believing one way or the other.

That being said, the reason that people most people turn off their brains on these two topics is called "faith." Most people who have decided to back a certain political belief and almost all people who have religious beliefs have decided that they are going to believe that "no matter what."

People who believe things can't look to logic to find their answers because, in most cases of belief, logic has no answers for them. They must simply believe, or not believe.

This is especially true of religion, where there can neither be proof of or proof against its veracity in your lifetime. If there were proof that a religion was true it wouldn't be called belief. It would just be fact.

El_Phil · #5 January 22nd, 2006, 07:59 AM

Though it is early in the year we have already have a contender for the much uncoveted "Most trollish comment by moderator in any forum" award.

Well done AT. Please don't keep it up.

Thermodyne · #6 January 22nd, 2006, 12:38 PM

Without venturing into this minefield, I feel compelled to add one thought. In science, we use rules of review, accepted standards and a multitude of other checks and balances to insure the accuracy of achieved results. We do this will all forms of science with the exception of religion. Think about this, and then make your own decision. What ever answer you arrive at is fine, so long as it is an informed decision and your mind remains open to opposing ideas.

El_Phil · #7 January 22nd, 2006, 01:19 PM

I didn't say I didn't agree with him, as it happens I'd go along with Renegades answer, just that it's the sort of comment that is only going to provoke people. And not in a productive way, no-ones going to change their opinion or learn anything (except maybe some new explitives or insults)

Whilst there are some forums where epic slanging matches are common, indeed encouraged, I can't say I'm a fan of such places and would prefer if this forum didn't descend to such depths, however briefly.

AgentZero · #8 January 22nd, 2006, 05:48 PM

Sigh... Crazy Italians. Personally, I think we'd all be better off if everyone followed the principle tennent of my religion, the Church of Iscool, which is, basically, I'll believe whatever I want, and you believe whatever you want, and as long as neither of us try to change the other mind, it's cool.
I'm an ardant aethiest, but I've friends from all faiths (hell, my sister's Bhudist [sp]), and we all get along just fine because none of us try to change the minds of anyone else, except for the laugh.
Now if the rest of the world could be like us, I think we'd all be a lot happier.

Atrocities · #9 January 22nd, 2006, 08:33 PM

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Suicide Junkie said:
Wow, I can't believe you said that Atro. That's gotta be the most trollish thing posted on this board in the last two years.
*Don't do that again*

Starhawk, you gotta calm down a bit there... you're way overreacting.

So by extention you are calling me a troll for posting my opinion of religion? The fact that you all instantly jumped on the beat Atrocities band wagon just proves my point. That being that people are way to willing to attack any one who does not agree or share their religious views.

I posted what I posted to prove a point.

I do not subscribe to religion, I know that it was created as an instrument of control and is still being used today as such. That millions of people throughout history have been killed in its name, that wars have been fought, justified, and instigated all because of religion.

Religion allows for explotation of the weak. It takes adavantage of peoples willingness to believe. It exploits ones faith and it gives to much control of the individuals right to freedom of choice to those who would use it for ill gains. Look at all the children that have been abused in the name of God by the very people who have sworn their lives to God. Do any of these comments sound familar; "Do this or God will strike you down. God told me that we must do this. It is Gods will that we do what we do. Kill them all and let God sort them out."

It is your right to believe in whatever you wish to believe in. But when you are willing to hurt others in the name of your faith or religion, then a line has been crossed. Your religion is no longer about faith, it is about control.

I have faith, that is all I need. I don't need to belong to any religion or have any group of people tell me that I must believe in their religion to be loved by God.

Having faith is all that matters.

EDIT: I am sorry that I upset many of you. But that was the point. I needed to demonstrate how willing people are to fight for their religious beliefs and or to justify why they must. I respect and have nothing but great admiration for you all.

The comments I posted are exactly what many in the news media have been stating for years now. They attack those of faith to marginalize the Religion. I may not agree with organized religion for many reasons, but I am a man of faith. Playing the devils advocate I posted the comments that seem most painful to hear. The media and many others are attacking religion by attacking those who belong to it. They are attempting to marginalize religion and to make faith anti-politically correct.

If you are willing to fight for what you believe in, as you did here, than there is still hope.

Will · #10 January 22nd, 2006, 08:48 PM

Well, the comment was a little trollish, even if you did not intend it to be Atrocities. If I did agree with you, I would be sure to say it out of earshot of anyone I thought might try to prove the point of the statement by starting a fight.

And everyone needs to remember Rule #1 about online discussions like this: automatically prepend the words "I think that..." to EVERYTHING. And Rule #2, step back for a few minutes and then re-read your post before sending it if you're getting emotional on the subject. It saves everyone a headache.

Now, let's all laugh about it and move on, eh?