Vanhiem - Looking for a little more help

OG_Gleep · #1 January 31st, 2006, 01:23 AM

Eh back to the drawing boards...I just got my arse handed to me...by the AI no less. I can see why these guys are powerful I just have to learn how to handle them. You were right that they were really really tuff blessed, but the armies themselves are extremly vulnerable when faced with a war of attrition. With the majority of your resources going to maintaining your blessed troops, you sacrafice numbers. The fodder troops quickly dissapate while the hardier valks and Vans live on. I was doing really well at first. Oh well, round 2.

shovah · #2 January 31st, 2006, 12:28 PM

get a few mages casting maybe phantasmals, they can defend one front by themselves if theres enough. another useful thing is getting a chokepoint, building a castle there and loading a few dwarves into it, should hold up vrs most enemies. also as well as your main army try maybe 1-2 blessers with flying carpets+a pure valk army. flying around with maybe 10 valks each (what bless do you have) they can cause havoc. also even just 4-5 valks and a cheap commander to bless make great raiders being stealthy (and having a sailing leader) and unless the enemy invests heavily in pd (which is not smart in mp) almost any province you hit should allow you to make your gold back (sneak in, hit the province, if you capture it make the army sneak away and raise taxes to 200%)

NTJedi · #3 January 31st, 2006, 01:26 PM

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OG_Gleep said:
Eh back to the drawing boards...I just got my arse handed to me...by the AI no less. I can see why these guys are powerful I just have to learn how to handle them. You were right that they were really really tuff blessed, but the armies themselves are extremly vulnerable when faced with a war of attrition.

Try playing a larger map with fewer AI opponents... playing a small map with lots of AI opponents can give even the best gamer tough times.
Also search for those libraries where sages can be recruited... most summoned creatures don't cost any gold. Example = 200 Enliven Statues have an upkeep of zero gold... unlike the vans or valkries.

OG_Gleep · #4 January 31st, 2006, 05:01 PM

Just a quick question. Troops still get blessed when your dragon changes form right? 9 gets dropped to 7 in dragon form.

I was using the water bless. Its pretty effective and I tend to like water a lot better than fire.

Oversway · #5 January 31st, 2006, 05:20 PM

Only the value when you designed your pretender matters - so shape change/death/empowerment/wishes/etc. won't affect your blessing

shovah · #6 January 31st, 2006, 07:24 PM

the water blessing makes them harder to kill but they lack the punch they should have for their gold imo

Vicious Love · #7 January 31st, 2006, 07:43 PM

Water blessed Vanherses and Vanjarls make good, reasonably-priced thugs. Just don't give them more equipment than they're worth, and watch out for spells or swarms that can bypass that staggering defense rating/mistform/mirror image combo of theirs..

shovah · #8 January 31st, 2006, 08:07 PM

they are decent thugs but just being me i still prefer fire (me thinks me needs anger management)

OG_Gleep · #9 February 1st, 2006, 05:12 AM

I switched things up a little bit...your right in that they lack a serious punch. Their weapons are really low dmg, so it takes a lot to get through heavy infantry, and my valks were seen off once by archers.

I like this setup much better. It might be also that I'm not fighting a 3 front war in this current game. We'll see how it fairs in MP.

Thanks again for the feedback guys, it was most helpful.

shovah · #10 February 1st, 2006, 03:33 PM

and since alot of archers are armoured f9 valks slaughter them (you can always make a line of skin shifters or such with valk support)