SC's vs Thugs

quantum_mechani · #1 February 15th, 2006, 04:20 AM

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Peacekeeper said:
i have a question....how do you get a dragonfly outside of a battle? am i going to have to wish/transform myself? =)

Unless you want to mod/map make or wish for it, there isn't.

OG_Gleep · #2 February 15th, 2006, 10:01 PM

I was just reading through the spell addendum doc, and they said that transformation can transform a mage into a dragonfly (although its noted that its rare).

NTJedi · #3 February 15th, 2006, 10:26 PM

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I was just reading through the spell addendum doc, and they said that transformation can transform a mage into a dragonfly (although its noted that its rare).

Hopefully in DOM_3 50% or more of all units within the game will be possible with Transformation. Or at the very least make the spell available sooner. Currently it's almost never used because most of the changes aren't that great and its so high up in research its usually not worth it.

Endoperez · #4 February 15th, 2006, 10:53 PM

I don't think it would be feasible for a NATURE mage to transform into a Void monster, or to an armored Abysian Heavy Infanty, or a mounted unit (

), etc etc...

There are lots of new animals. They should be added to the list. But as the units are more often differently equipped units I would hate to see Transformation changed like that.

NTJedi · #5 February 15th, 2006, 11:02 PM

I was looking for ways for the spell to be more valuable. If the spell does maintain a nature only focus it limits the possible units. If DOM_3 does keep a nature focus then possibly adding units like an Ivy King or TreeLord or WereBear.

Endoperez · #6 February 16th, 2006, 12:14 AM

Ivy King? Treelord? That's a bit far-fetched, don't you think?

There are lots of myths about various shape-shifter mages and such. Wizards turning into birds, wolves, bears, etc. Even into trees. But a Treelord is a bit too much! Vine men, even Vine Ogres, I could see.

Besides, I'm sure just allowing Transform to turn the caster into one of the many possible units created but not updated to Transformation's list would be enough. Moose and Bears, Great Lions, etc.

Besides, where have you seen Werebears? The only ones I remember are Jotunheim's Skinshifters mentioned in one of the DevDiaries. Oops, sorry, even they turn into wolves.

NTJedi · #7 February 16th, 2006, 12:51 AM

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Ivy King? Treelord? That's a bit far-fetched, don't you think?

Possibility exists for turning into a Dragonfly as very rare... why not have these as very rare. Making them the jackpot of the gamble. And considering they're obviously of nature I don't think they should be banned from the possibility.

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Besides, I'm sure just allowing Transform to turn the caster into one of the many possible units created but not updated to Transformation's list would be enough. Moose and Bears, Great Lions, etc.

Well all the ones you listed have terrible MR and only two misc slots... leaving the spell as really not worth risking the nature mage. The spell has to be improved enough to be considered for use.

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Besides, where have you seen Werebears?

Just giving a possible example of a unit within DOM_3 since this change will only be made within DOM_3.

Alneyan · #8 February 16th, 2006, 07:46 AM

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quantum_mechani said:

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Peacekeeper said:
i have a question....how do you get a dragonfly outside of a battle? am i going to have to wish/transform myself? =)

Unless you want to mod/map make or wish for it, there isn't.

Actually, there is: a failed Transform may transform the caster into a Dragonfly. It's a lot rarer than the other failed results, though.

Yay for me! The above tidbit of information has already been posted a few hours ago. I feel so useful.

Oversway · #9 February 16th, 2006, 11:46 AM

You'd get a (potientially?) feebleminded dragonfly commander from a transform, right? So no need to GoR, although wasn't that the point -- to show how you have nature gems to waste?

Alneyan · #10 February 16th, 2006, 11:58 AM

The commander will be feeble-minded: failed Transform changes the body (Foul Spawns are the common ones) and the mind (sanity is so fleeting).

The goal was indeed to waste as much resources (most notably gems, but also mage-time and so on). I believe the Dragonfly qualifies, though: Transform very rarely produces Dragonflies, so you will need to spend a lot of mage-turns and gems (8 per attempt) to get your Dragonfly, and then you still need to cure the feeble-mindedness for maximum effect. It would be *so* fun to have a Dragonfly with *high* magic paths, wouldn't it?