Caelum questions

shovah · #1 February 15th, 2006, 04:05 PM

flying and light fear are good and i use them alot but in bigger battles you should still have a few ghost wolf casters imo

OG_Gleep · #2 February 15th, 2006, 05:04 PM

For the flying stacks, these could be a mix of melee and archers, or pure archers and mages. For armies with ground units, you really intend for atleast some of them to get into melee. I was asking (although not clearly) is basically, do you normally take archers, or melee support.

Thanks for the tips guys, most of the armies I have played had very survivable units. It was a bit of a surprise to watch these guys get hit so bad.

shovah · #3 February 15th, 2006, 05:07 PM

the only time i use caelums melee units (not mammoths, i use them alot) are either when i desperately need to reach mages/archers or against a ton of ethereal undead (read SG ermor) but generally i stick with mammoths and archers (who often have wind guide and fire arrows from a pretender in large fights)

OG_Gleep · #4 February 15th, 2006, 09:01 PM

Another quick question..both mages have easy access to quickness. But they putter out once the script is done it seems. Do you guys still cast quickness without reinvig items?

NTJedi · #5 February 15th, 2006, 09:20 PM

depending on the mage and the equipment of the mage... quickness is one of the first spells I have him casting.

Oversway · #6 February 16th, 2006, 11:49 AM

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Do you guys still cast quickness without reinvig items?

Usually. You get the nearly the same number of spells cast (minus the fatigue for quickness) but at twice the rate. Most of the time that is good.

OG_Gleep · #7 February 17th, 2006, 10:51 AM

I had a critical battle in my SP game, and wanted to see what different effects quickness had on the outcome. After all my orders were complete, I saved, quit, and backed up the directory (only way I figured out how to save a turn).

4 times, with 13 mages 20 light infantry and about 60 archers, this army was beaten by a TC army of 3 mages, 127 various units (most ranged) and 7 Celestial soldiers. All 4 battles each of my mages started with quickness. All were crushing defeats, losing most of my forces, and over half of my commanders..the ones still passed out.

I took quickness off this last time, and basically scripted the same spells just w/o quickness. This time I only lost 25 (most of the Caelum light infantry, and a few bowmen), and killed 72, all his CS and 4 commanders.

The CS in the first 4 battles plowed through screen, and nailed my archers. Most of the mages blew their wads before getting in optimal range, so by the time the CS hit my lines, every mage was over 100 fatigue. The last battle, they had atleast 2 turns of pretty high hit/miss ratio spells.

Without reinvig, or nature mage backup, quickness I think is a liability. I think summon scripts would work fine with quickness, as the more on the field at once, the better...but for most any script that relies on Prec...I think I am going to leave quickness out.