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October 30th, 2001, 12:28 AM
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Re: Beginners Guide, HELP!!! (Please Read And Post)
If you can trade for the colonizing techs. If possible trade for them with a neutral race that will never leave it's home system anyways. Failing that trade with the weakest alien out there that has what you want. Trade it with a race you know you are about to kill but are currently still peacefull with. Failing all of the above trade with someone far far away AND with their neighbor, for other techs you need or their colonizing tech if different. This will prevent the AI from expanding rampantly over it's neighbors far from your own borders and becoming a major threat later on. Thus preventing your descendants from regreting your hasty trades in later decades and bad mouthing your policies in history texts.
[This message has been edited by Cyrien (edited 29 October 2001).]
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October 30th, 2001, 03:45 AM
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Re: Beginners Guide, HELP!!! (Please Read And Post)
Another bit -- after meeting an AI race for the first time, read its description quite carefully. Some happen to be quite warlike xenophobes, and may give you less prep time than you'd like.
Logistics: an unsupplied war fleet isn't very useful. It can move only one square per turn (either strategic or tactical), and its shields (if any) stay down. _And_ it's still costing full maintenance despite its low utility. Hitting the only enemy colonies close enough to be used as staging grounds can be more useful than hitting the fleets directly. Conversely, it's good to have redundancy in your own supply network so the loss of a single colony doesn't effectively cut your empire in half.
Design and counterdesign: Examine enemy ship designs. Consider adding your own designs to counter them if they pose particularly dangerous threats.
Intelligence: "Communications mimic" is a nice toy for starting wars between other players, especially AIs who won't necessarily question the authenticity of the DOW. Even between human players, a successful mimic DOW will zero their trade level, which can be substantial between two economic powerhouses, and it'll take twenty turns to recover. "Crew Insurrection" is another fun op, since a subverted ship in a fleet may not only remove itself from action, but perhaps damage its former compatriots, as well. A solo ship might be safely brought back for tech analysis.
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October 30th, 2001, 04:28 AM
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Re: Beginners Guide, HELP!!! (Please Read And Post)
Hey Atrocities
I have a 2 week vacation coming up from Nov 26th on. First week will be fun in the sun and then the second week will be quiet.
Anyway. During that time off I can write up a fraq for you. I will do the standard text based on and a hyperlink doc as well with table of contents etc. (Perhaps get permissions to add pictures ). I am still hiding my home email but we can figure out a way to comunicate. I do know that I will have 2 solid days To work on it and Prob. about 3 to 4 hours a week ( except the week when I am in Dom. Rep, and christmas week )
Let me know what you think.
And if this goes anywhere we can work out the requirements and responsibilities of the document.
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October 30th, 2001, 11:21 AM
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Re: Beginners Guide, HELP!!! (Please Read And Post)
 Thanks for all the comments guys. 
Man to be a new player again, what a dream some of this information would be.
Tesco, I hope you have a great vacation.
Any info you want to provide for this community effort is very much appreciated.
Thank you all for posting these tips, suggestions, and game knowledge.
I agree with Andres, and feel that a list of useful Newbie FAQ attached to a few links would be the best course of action. This way, as we develop new ideas, we can keep adding to the FAQ, and eventually it can be compiled down into a general Newbie FAQ Guide by the SEIV Community. This way everyone will be involved.
Again, thanks.
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October 30th, 2001, 06:49 PM
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Re: Beginners Guide, HELP!!! (Please Read And Post)
1)Don't forget to use the upgrade button when you discover new tech..
2) In beginning research and get mines & upgrade missles. They are good for defense in beginning.
3) Try not to colonize systems in beginning where the AI has colonies unless u have no other option. This tends to upset them towards you.
4) When colonizing outside of your system in beginning be sure you give your main planet time to replenish its people, or you will lower pop to the point your colonization will come to immediate halt until it grows back up.
5) when building colony ship make sure you have cargo componet in order to carry pop outside your system, otherwise when you get there you will be unable to colonize, no people on board, or at least make sure you load pop before sending out system, 1 cargo gives extra pop to help grow
6) try and make trade & research treaties with every AI you meet. Some won't ck them out. This increases your resources & research
7) put at least several small wp's on your planets in beginning. Nothing worse then AI sct coming in and wasting your nice planet because yu have no defense
8) research your special tech ie; temporal etc as soon as you can afford to
9) colonize available planets in your home system in beginning while your scts are cking other systems. otherwise, AI will come in and coloize them before you if they have same type enviroment.
just some ideas mac
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October 30th, 2001, 09:06 PM
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Re: Beginners Guide, HELP!!! (Please Read And Post)
quote: 5) when building colony ship make sure you have cargo componet in order to carry pop
outside your system, otherwise when you get there you will be unable to colonize, no people on board, or at least make sure you load pop before sending out system, 1 cargo gives extra pop to help grow
This isn't quite accurate. The Colony component itself automatically includes enough cargo space for 4M colonists, but adding a Cargo Bay boosts the capacity to 34M, which can make a huge difference for growth. If you use the (F4) Planets/Send Colony Ship button or the (C) Colonize order, the ship will automatically load the pop from the planet it's at; otherwise, you do have to load the pop yourself first. Also note that if the colony ship runs out of supplies before reaching the target, it can't plant the colony when it arrives; for really long range colonizing, either resupply the ship at a border colony, send it in a fleet with a supply tender design, or swap out the Cargo Bay for Supply Storage component.
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October 30th, 2001, 09:13 PM
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Re: Beginners Guide, HELP!!! (Please Read And Post)
quote: Also note that if the colony ship runs out of supplies before reaching the target, it can't plant the colony when it arrives;
Since when? I recall purchasing an out-of-supply EEE colony ship for a captured Battleship as it approached a nice planet in my system.
Certainly under V1.49, and I planted perfectly fine.
It does take one extra turn, since you need 1 MP to land once you've arrived at the planet.
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