Feeling a bit ... so so / All of my thoughts

Nerfix · #1 March 28th, 2006, 03:21 AM

But does S&A have Chariot troopers? Please say the have.

And for some reason I thought that Agarta would be early Ulm.

Edi · #2 March 28th, 2006, 04:48 AM

It looks like I'm going to have the work cut out for me to produce a comprehensive Unit, equipment and Magic Site DB for Dom3. Might as well throw in spells too. And I'll be buggered if I'll be doing that with a spreadsheet. Right now the plan is that it'll be SQL database all the way, with the queries set up so that you can get useful lists out of it.

Never mind producing a Faerun map, and that'll be a headache in itself with all the different Eras, because they'll require different vesions. Well, at least the graphics are more or less ready, but the map will be less than 300 provinces for Dom3, since I've come to the conclusion that both the large and small Faerun maps currently in circulation are too fatally flawed in to many ways to make it worth fixing them.

Free time...what the hell is that?

Edi

Daynarr · #3 March 28th, 2006, 04:59 AM

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Edi said:
Never mind producing a Faerun map, and that'll be a headache in itself with all the different Eras, because they'll require different vesions.

I for one think Faerun map is one of the greates maps out there.

Shouldn't be to hard to make one for each era as it should (ok I'm guessing a bit here) require you only to set starting locations for each. The rest can be the same for each era.

Not sure what you mean by fatally flawed - I think they are great (I like big one most

).

Edi · #4 March 28th, 2006, 05:09 AM

Thanks for the praise.

The big one is, all things considered, somewhat too big. The smaller one has some rather big design issues in some regions, and both of them need some toning down for some of the province guardians (the Earthmother in the Moonshaes is especially nasty).

I've been working on a new version with only 281 provinces (it really will not go any smaller without losing the thematic feel and even then I had to cut a couple of places I wanted to keep but could afford to remove), which should be more workable. When it's ready, that is, but I won't be making it public immediately. This one also won't feature all nations. Mictlan has been cut, and so will Ermor, in all probability. It just doesn't fit too well on the map.

The problem with different versions for different eras isn't in the picture file, it'll be fixing the map files to reflect each era, which is more work than appears at first glance. And I need a working Unit DB and Site DB to really make it good.

I've still got a dream of getting to do a full Toril (Faerun & Kara-Tur) map someday, but that's another story...

Edi

Boron · #5 March 30th, 2006, 11:58 AM

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Edi said:
Thanks for the praise.

The big one is, all things considered, somewhat too big. The smaller one has some rather big design issues in some regions, and both of them need some toning down for some of the province guardians (the Earthmother in the Moonshaes is especially nasty).

It was only too big for Dom 2 because of the low unit limit and the scouting bug.
But remember Illwinter said the maximum number of provinces for Dom3 will be 1500

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So this means that the unit limit is hopefully not an issue anymore neither

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So you could also make a 500 province Faerun map for Dom3 imho

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Iirc there are 20 Nations for Dom3, so 500:20 would be 25 provinces for each nation, exactly right for an epic MP game

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Already looking forward to your Dom3 Faerun Maps

Gandalf Parker · #6 March 30th, 2006, 12:23 PM

And you know that I will be making those 1500 province maps available. (not real pretty, but available). My old classifications were...

TINY less than 5 each, or less than 85 total provinces. Best done as 45 land and 8 water.

SMALL 5 each, or 85 total provinces. Best done as 75 land and 10 water.

MEDIUM 10 each, or 170 total provinces. Best done as 150 land and 20 water.

LARGE 15 each, or 255 total provinces. Best done as 225 land and 30 water.

HUGE 20 each, or 340 total provinces. Best done as 300 land and 40 water.

EPIC 25 or more each, maybe to the maximum 500 total provinces. Something like 450 land and 50 water.

CHAOS a run of completely randomized maps which might provide something interesting by accident.

I guess I will have to add one for Xtreme.

And new groupings to include the Dom3 map generator if it will work for it.
Hmmmm with added nations I will have to redo the others abit also in order to match the "xx each player for xxx total provinces".

Daynarr · #7 March 30th, 2006, 12:47 PM

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Boron said:

Quote:

Edi said:
Thanks for the praise.

The big one is, all things considered, somewhat too big. The smaller one has some rather big design issues in some regions, and both of them need some toning down for some of the province guardians (the Earthmother in the Moonshaes is especially nasty).

It was only too big for Dom 2 because of the low unit limit and the scouting bug.
But remember Illwinter said the maximum number of provinces for Dom3 will be 1500

.
So this means that the unit limit is hopefully not an issue anymore neither

.
So you could also make a 500 province Faerun map for Dom3 imho

.
Iirc there are 20 Nations for Dom3, so 500:20 would be 25 provinces for each nation, exactly right for an epic MP game

.

Already looking forward to your Dom3 Faerun Maps

I 100% agree. If the province limit is 1500

(ouch, thats extreme allright) then unit limit most definitely shouldn't be a problem anymore. Heck on 1500 province map you would reach limit just by placing indies on the map.

I think currently Large Faerun map will fall somewhere in the middle sized maps once Dom 3 is out.

Come to think of it, 1500 provinces is a dream come true for Gandalf who's notorious in his liking of HUGE maps.

I bet he will find a way to play with ALL nations on it too.

NTJedi · #8 March 30th, 2006, 01:30 PM

I'm also very fond of HUGE maps... in fact many gamers enjoy the HUGE maps. I recall Gandalf reporting the highest downloads from his site were for the largest maps.

I'm wondering what's new in the editor too.

Gandalf Parker · #9 March 30th, 2006, 03:13 PM

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Daynarr said:
Come to think of it, 1500 provinces is a dream come true for Gandalf who's notorious in his liking of HUGE maps.

I bet he will find a way to play with ALL nations on it too.

heehee. Its like a giant cake. I will HAVE to make one, even if it turns out to be something I wouldnt want to do often.

1500 provinces? I wonder if the max map size is expanded also. Well even at 2000x2000 that might be playable if its not too cluttered. I think I can get DomMap to generate one that big just to see how playable it looks.

ALL of the nations? Do we know what that is yet? We know that they added a water nation (Oceania). Ive heard 20 kicked around. And each one has 3 eras? If they can all play at once that would be 60 nations? That would be.. umm...
echo "1500/60" | bc
25 provinces each. About right for a good game. Even if you cant play 60 humans maybe you could do the standard signup of the 20 nations and add the other 2 eras in as AI's.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA
Im ready. Lets go.