Clash Of Armies [Started]

The Panther · #1 March 31st, 2006, 07:38 PM

On the subject of using blood battlefield spells:

It is certainly possible to cast one blood spell without either blood hunting or researching blood magic, and that would be 'Bleed'.

I was assuming that it is legal to cast Bleed since it does not violate the rules as stated so clearly in Wraithlord's above post. In fact, I just happen to have a mage set up to do exactly that if needed. I got an event where I received 16 blood slaves and I also happen to have a sauromancer with the random blood school.

So - is Bleed legal or not? (Not that this is a game turning spell

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I did offer to trade my free slaves to Folket for gems, but he declined to do so.

I agree that the rules were clearly stated in that the sole use of the 3 blood slaves per turn for Mictlan was to spread dominion in order to avoid the quick dominion death.

Cainehill · #2 March 31st, 2006, 08:26 PM

Yah, that wouldn't violate the rules, albeit it does illustrate why it's hard to setup a game like this: if you script a mage to cast Bleed, it's hard to tell if you're actually doing some blood hunting on the side.

Then again, why someone would waste a mage's time blood hunting when they can't get blood summons or items is beyond me. (Unless they figured to get a blood stone or some such equiped on a stealthy mage.)

*sigh* You know what the kicker is? I found Mount Chaining this game (40% bonus to blood summons), was all excited until I remembered no blood magic.

The Panther · #3 March 31st, 2006, 11:09 PM

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Cainehill said:
*sigh* You know what the kicker is? I found Mount Chaining this game (40% bonus to blood summons), was all excited until I remembered no blood magic.

I had to laugh my a$$ over this one. Mount Chaining is practically a guaranteed winner site for any blood nation (Jotun qualifies), and you CANT EVEN USE IT!!!

Folket · #4 April 1st, 2006, 01:47 AM

I think there is a 60 blood bonus site.

The Panther · #5 April 1st, 2006, 10:05 AM

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Folket said:
I think there is a 60 blood bonus site.

There is also a 20 (unholy 3) and a 30 (blood 3) in addition to the 60 (blood 3). But all three of these are rare. Of these, the only one I have ever heard about actually occuring in an MP game is the Summoning Circle (60 bonus).

The Mount Chaining is not only merely uncommon, it is also a level 1 site (meaning it can be easily found), and it is availiable on any land terrain. In other words, far too common and much too easy to find for the huge bonus it gives.

Folket · #6 April 1st, 2006, 11:39 AM

Since Mictlan needs to blood sacrifice for spreading dominions they are an exception to this rule. Mictlan is allowed to blood hunt but are prohibited from blood research and the forging of items that require blood slaves (with the exception of the jade knife).

A loophole in this rule is that I may summon spine fiends and fiends of darkness.

The Panther · #7 April 1st, 2006, 12:01 PM

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Folket said:
A loophole in this rule is that I may summon spine fiends and fiends of darkness.

Yes, this is true since it is your national spell. Maybe I should withdraw my offer to trade my slaves to you...

The Panther · #8 April 1st, 2006, 12:03 PM

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Folket said:
Mictlan is allowed to blood hunt.

I was under the impression that this is not true. NO ONE is allowed to blood hunt, even Mictlan. You may only use your starting slaves and nothing else.

If this IS true, then I will attempt to kill you immediately to prevent you from getting the usual horde of fiends. In fact, if I notice that you are blood hunting, then we are at war right now to the death.

WraithLord · #9 April 2nd, 2006, 11:56 AM

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Folket said:
Since Mictlan needs to blood sacrifice for spreading dominions they are an exception to this rule. Mictlan is allowed to blood hunt but are prohibited from blood research and the forging of items that require blood slaves (with the exception of the jade knife).

A loophole in this rule is that I may summon spine fiends and fiends of darkness.

This is indeed a loophole. It is against the spirit of the rule, but certainly the way the rule was phrased it is indeed allowed. Had this apparent loophole been brought up while we were setting up the game we would not have allowed it, either we would have added an exception to the rule or resort to simply banning the blood nations.

Folket, since this loophole does exist I feel like I can't just ask you not to exploit it, though I would certainly have preferred that you don't.