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[DominionsFan]

Cainehill said:

Gee - "if he would be a pirate he would just download it"? Yep, _IF_ he had broadband connection good enough to download several gigabytes, _IF_ he wanted to trust that the crackers didn't put viruses, worms, or trojans into the game. No wonder companies want to put copy protection on their games.

Y'know : if you're naive enough to think that giving away the game to friends "isn't piracy", I have my doubts as to whether or not you know if any of the games you have use StarForce copy protection.

Well that was my opinion what I posted about this. What did you meant about Starforce protection? I know that some of my games using the SF method, but what was your point in that?

[Cainehill]

DominionsFAN said:

Well that was my opinion what I posted about this. What did you meant about Starforce protection? I know that some of my games using the SF method, but what was your point in that?

You posted in another thread that StarForce wasn't causing you any problems. Frankly, I don't think you know what kind of copy protection is on your games, so my point is that your comments about StarForce not causing problems should be taken with skepticism. It's well known to cause a LOT of problems, even with up-to-date computers and versions of Windows XP. So odds are that you either don't have SF protected games, or you aren't savvy enough to know when your computer isn't working properly.

[Morkilus]

Yeah... defending Starforce, even by saying you personally haven't had any problems... is not very "cool" in internet forums.

[DominionsFan]

Yes ofc I got SF protected games, like Chaos League + expansion and some others. I never had problems with my DVD burner, HDD, windows, etc. and I know that my friends never had problems with it either.
I always thought that this SF hysteria is because of the pirates. This is the only real good protection method. If you ask me, the biggest whiners are the pirates themselves. Now that many company dropped SF, the pirates can be much happier. Well if SF is causing problems like you said, I am pretty sure that the SF devs can fix those. This is a decent protection idea, it would be a shame if it would be wasted like this. I hope that the SF devs can fix these things real fast, so no1 will have any problems.

[Cainehill]

DominionsFAN said:
I always thought that this SF hysteria is because of the pirates. This is the only real good protection method. If you ask me, the biggest whiners are the pirates themselves.

*snicker* Yep, "Pirates" like the writer for one of the established computer gaming sites / magazines, who just wrote an article about how he hadn't been able to do any gaming since before Christmas. Several hundred hours tracking down and correcting the problems - which turned out to have been caused by StarForce.

Now that many company dropped SF, the pirates can be much happier.

Pirates like .... you? I mean, you're the only one I know here who's actually posted and mentioned loaning a game to friends.

In any case : StarForce as a company is scum. They've put up phoney web-sites full of phony testimonials about how StarForce was safe. They've basically attempted extortion, getting pissed off when a developer refused to use their (or any other) copy-protection, and posting a link to where people could download pirated copies of the game in question.

Note that, with _zero_ copy protection, StarDock's Galactic Civilizations 2 has made it to the best seller charts, and some weeks has been the #1 selling computer game at places like Walmart. Pretty damn good for an independent developer / publisher. Yep, pirates and the lack of copy protection has really hurt them, and it's _so_ great that StarForce was looking out for them by ... telling people where to download pirated copies of their game.

[DominionsFan]

You cant call me a pirate, I had no idea that I cannot borrow my game when I want. I never ever read things like this when I install a game, and I never look at this part in the manuals. Perhaps it was a mistake, anyways I still dont think that this is right...I mean if the other person won't make a backup from the original disc, why is that so bad? Well maybe they can sell less copies, because if that person didnt liked the game he/she wont buy it. This is true...still this is way too hardcore for me and a bit laughable. Why? Because everyone can download games from the internet, and they are making an EULA like this.

Starforce: I dont care what they did, I only posted that the protection itself is decent. You cannot deny that. SF could be a good start for an "ultimate" protection method, since the only real way to protect discs must be connected with hardware protection. I think the latest securom using somekind of method like this now, but I am unsure.

Btw cainehill let me ask you a question. If your very close friend would ask you: "Hey, can I try out this game for a day?" Honestly what would you answer?

[Saber Cherry]

DominionsFAN said:
Starforce: I dont care what they did, I only posted that the protection itself is decent. You cannot deny that.

Of course that can be denied! Starforce disables your disk-burning capability, and randomly reboots your computer when the "drivers" decide they can't verify you aren't doing something "wrong". It breaks optical drives by forcing them to work in an old compatibility mode that causes damage to modern hardware. This is all well-documented. It does NOT prevent piracy - you can still download the games on the internet, still "loan" them to friends, etc. What do you claim Starforce accomplishes? It is not decent in either effectiveness or side-effects, and the people who make it are evil.

[Cainehill]

DominionsFAN said:
You cant call me a pirate, I had no idea that I cannot borrow my game when I want. I never ever read things like this when I install a game, and I never look at this part in the manuals.

I can't call you a pirate? If some retard doesn't read the laws concerning counterfeit money, they're not a counterfeiter? "I didn't know I couldn't copy the money for my friends - I had no idea they'd make copies too!"

You, sir, are either a hypocrit or a moron. That "Ultimate protection" you talk about can easily be done by killing hardware components on the computers it's installed on - and you seem to agree with it.

And, "btw" :

[/quote] cainehill let me ask you a question. If your very close friend would ask you: "Hey, can I try out this game for a day?" Honestly what would you answer?


[/quote] :

I'd say : bring over a growler of beer and check it out. In other flooding words : they'd play it on my computer, it'd be a social occasion with beer or wine and music, and there'd be no chance of piracy going on. But then - you don't have friends who'd come over, eh?