TFW: Historical Quality

[Chelco]

Hola Carlos! Otro Argentino aqui!

I would like to add that the view of the Argentinean forces being poorly led applies only at the grand-tactical/operational/strategical levels. At the tactical level, many Argentinean officers were capable and professional. They deployed themselves among their troops too. If there is any doubt about this, take a look at the list of fallen during the war: many are middle and low rank officers. The view of a distant commander safely accommodated in Port Stanley probably applies to highly ranked officers like Parada, Jofre and Menendez himself.

[Patrick Proctor]

I hope that no one equates (and I know you didn't mean this) our weighting of the forces in TFW with any commentary on the relative patriotism, valor, or value of the soldiers as individuals.

But it is our analysis that the training level of the British soldiers on the island, and the relative quality of their equipment was superior to that of the Argentinian force in the battles examined. Note I said TRAINING. Training and leadership are not the same thing. The leadership of each force was not examined. Rather (and Gary, the game designer, can speak to this much better than I) the relative efficiency and lethality of each forces was examined. And, in this examination, it seems that British forces were consistently more successful in each engagement, which general points to deficiencies in training and equipment.

And, again, Chelco, I know you were not implying any such thing. I just felt this was a good opportunity to say it explicitly.

[Chelco]

Pat you are a gentleman. And you are spot on too!

The game models each force adequately. I was just giving a small comment on some misconceptions that are common (mainly in my country, Argentina) about the middle and low rank officers from the Argentinean Army and Navy. Even after all these years, who could have been better used to correctly put blame or glory into each rank of the Argentinean Army/Navy, the concept of "incompetent/coward/evil/torturer/anti-democratic" Argentinean Army/Navy officers during the Falklands/Malvinas war is alive and well. The soon to be released movie "Iluminados por el Fuego" is a clear example of that.

The amount of errors made by high rank Argentinean officers at the strategical and operational levels is huge. However, many middle and low level officers knew of those mistakes and got into fierce arguments to correct them. For example, Col Balza (in charge of Artillery Group 3, south east of Port Stanley/Puerto Argentino) had to beg for long range artillery he knew he needed for the upcoming battle. He correctly anticipated where the UK would push hard and knew what type of artillery they had. He finally got just one artillery piece for that purpose without authorization from his superiors. Just incredible.

Looking forward for Jim's review.

[CarlosV]

Hola Chelco!
Sos tan peligroso como el animalito de tu nick? jaja
O sos un antiguo hincha del SP Chevrolet de la década del '70, el que corría García Veiga?

There are no doubt that the training and equipment of the british forces was superior than the argentine forces.
First of all, the 100% of the british ground forces were professional soldiers while the argentine side were about the 10% of professional and the other 90% were conscripts with poor training.

[Gary Bezant]

Pat is spot on with his reply. TFW tries to model the level of training and skill of both sides. I have tried to reflect this as accuratley as the sim will allow.

I really appreciate both Chelco and Carlos V taking the time and effort to post comments here. I hope you both feel that TFW is not too baised towards either side. My aim was to make TFW as historically accurate as possible without it being stacked against the Argentine troops. I hope it stands as a tribute to the soldiers, sailors and airmen of both nations.

cheers

[CarlosV]

Gary Bezant said:
Pat is spot on with his reply. TFW tries to model the level of training and skill of both sides. I have tried to reflect this as accuratley as the sim will allow.

I really appreciate both Chelco and Carlos V taking the time and effort to post comments here. I hope you both feel that TFW is not too baised towards either side. My aim was to make TFW as historically accurate as possible without it being stacked against the Argentine troops. I hope it stands as a tribute to the soldiers, sailors and airmen of both nations.

cheers

Thanks Gary. I understand that point and I agree with you.
regards