Bar vs FG42 is it a draw?

[TheDesertFox]

Tarrif said:
The FG-42 was not designed to be anything like the M1 Garand, STG44, or Gewehr 43.

Beg your pardon but where do you get this wrong information from ?

The FG42 was designed to replace the 98K and the MP40 in the paratroops, basing on the negative experiences in the west and Crete. It never was designed to act as a SAW. The germans had better weapons for that purpose.

cheers

[Tarrif]

TheDesertFox said:
Beg your pardon but where do you get this wrong information from?

Almost every single book I have with the FG-42 in it says it was a weapon, designed from the very beginning, for paratrooper use. The emphasis was on being light-weight and compact, while trying to cram as much firepower as possible into those restrictions. The Garand and other rifles were designed to specifications of a much different priority. A better comparison for the FG-42 would be other weapons designed or modified for paratrooper use, such as the M1A1 Paratrooper Carbine I mentioned earlier (although those two weapons are in a different sub-class).

[TheDesertFox]

Tarrif said:
The emphasis was on being light-weight and compact, while trying to cram as much firepower as possible into those restrictions.

Tarrif, to make a long story short:

Was it designed to replace the Riflemens weapon(s) or was it designed to replace the LMG-Gunners weapon ?

What do your sources say ?

cheers

[Tarrif]

It was designed to provide firepower along the lines of a LMG but the accuracy of a rifle. For units like paratroopers, weapons were sometimes designed under the jack-of-all-trades principle. It was never meant to totally replace the rifle or the LMG - especially since it was complicated and expensive to produce. Had the FG-42 been quick and easy to produce, its possible it would have become the primary weapon of the Fallschrimjaegers, but that wasn't the case, so only one or two men per squad recieved them and they were used to augment the firepower of the squad.

[TheDesertFox]

Tarrif said:
It was designed to provide firepower along the lines of a LMG but the accuracy of a rifle. For units like paratroopers, weapons were sometimes designed under the jack-of-all-trades principle. It was never meant to totally replace the rifle or the LMG - especially since it was complicated and expensive to produce. Had the FG-42 been quick and easy to produce, its possible it would have become the primary weapon of the Fallschrimjaegers, but that wasn't the case, so only one or two men per squad recieved them and they were used to augment the firepower of the squad.

Tarrif,

thanks for your answer. In game terms this means it is used as a riflemens weapon (primary weapon) and not as a LMG (secondary weapon). That´s how things are represented in the game right now.

I just wanted this to be clear.

cheers

[narwan]

Tarrif said:
It was designed to provide firepower along the lines of a LMG but the accuracy of a rifle.

It's accuracy in the game is like that of rifles and its firepower (HE kill factor) is closer to that of lmg's. So that would make it about right as it currently is doesn't it?

Narwan

[DRG]

It does and that's the way it's going to stay.

Don

[Tarrif]

I'm not sure how it is in this game because I don't play this game. I joined this conversation because I saw the URL linked to my website on the first page. The original argument was that the FG-42 should be treated like the B.A.R., which I agreed with from a historical and technical point of view. Maybe from a gameplay point of view that doesn't make sense, but technically the FG-42 could be used in the same exact role. That was my original point.

I understand the game industry, and the players that go with it. I know some people don't want to see this changed because it doesn't favor their particular side, or because it might imbalance the game (in some respect). Its up to the developers if they want to put historical accuracy over game balance, or visa-versa. Sometimes historical accuracy isn't the best thing for a game - that's for them to decide.

[chuckfourth]

Fair enough
There wouldnt be any chance of giving it the same hit as BAR, 5? And giving it a bit better range? After all I hear it performed well as a rifle, Accurate out to 800m or so I here tell.

by the way thanks for your tireless devotion to the game.
Best Chuck.