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Old June 15th, 2006, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: Nazi German OOB

There are only about, what 20 OOB slots free in the GE OB.

Did a OOB dump of the default WW2 German OOB and loaded it up in Open Office; there are 56 free slots:

201
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Glad to be of help.
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Old June 15th, 2006, 07:39 PM

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The problem with German OOB is that no matter how many slots you have, you will always fill them

As for above thaaat Pz III n was a case of lack of coffee and shortsightness, sorry...

SiG II can be substituted by Bison no probs. A bit harder with StuIG 33 as it's closest cousin, Brummbar, is not available in 1942. Guess I will just mobhack him

The reasoning behind cutting down Fw 189 - well, it seems SPWW2 still suffers from that old bug when you have more than 20 units of one class available, only the first 20 will pop up in the purchase window. Air strikes are most often victim of that and multiple copies of earth-shattering designs such as 189, Hs-123 or the PaK Ju88 variants don't help
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The reasoning behind cutting down Fw 189 - well, it seems SPWW2 still suffers from that old bug when you have more than 20 units of one class available, only the first 20 will pop up in the purchase window. Air strikes are most often victim of that and multiple copies of earth-shattering designs such as 189, Hs-123 or the PaK Ju88 variants don't help

Formation, nation and date please for debuggery.

This problem was fixed in MBT and the WW2 code started as a copy of the winMBT code this time round, instead of the other way round.

Course - it may have just been to chop lists > 22 units or whatever, if someone had been daft enough to have so many of the same class available at the same time. Been >6 months plus, so me cannot recall the exact nature of the fix.

Anyway, there are 2 wast-of-space unit classes for WW2 type bombers which absolutely nothng uses. I may convert one to a new class for useless stuff like this UHU-tiddly-bomber, that operates as a simple fighter. And then relegate any such pipsqueaks we may have that might useful to a human player but never the AI there. a "second division fighter" or some such <G>.

That leaves the other WW2 bomber class as the only free unit class, and I may have a use for that, in some crowded OOBS .

No - not as an armoured train class - I needed a class for a section of 2 late war marders for a "guaranteed cheap" section of 2 for AI pick usage, and was stuck with wheeled SP=at even though it has tracks. (Expect to see a few more sections of 2 marders, in GE AI defence 44 on - plus the GE AI later on will make more use of ATG in the defence as that was the case in RL)

- 243/244 light and heavy bomber - will be reclassed
- Wheeled SP/AT I will rename to be more generally usable (Light SP-AT or such)
- Tiger plt CS tank is only useful for GE, so I may rename
- 244 heavy bomber may become another AFV class (tank or SP-AT clone)

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Old June 15th, 2006, 09:00 PM

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Well an additional class for ground attack planes would help a lot in some OOBs - Germans could go with a class for "cheapskates COIN" planes such as Hs-123, Hs-126 (not in game btw) and Fw-189.

And some OOBs - UK and Japan are prime examples - mix naval airplanes and "army" airplanes in one class, resulting in oddities such as Swordfishes in Italy and Jap divebombers over Mongolia.
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Default Re: Nazi German OOB

nail struck squarely on head...it's the "slot" problem. the poor camo guys are stuck with these integrally numbered "slots" (records within a file) all over the place. frankly what they've achieved, given the poor architecture they inherited, is nothing short of amazing.

i picture myself, in a previous professional life, telling a client that if he wanted to add more customers he'd have to get rid of some existing customers as all the "customer slots" were full.
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