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Old June 17th, 2006, 11:26 AM

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Default Re: Laser ordinance guidance /designation from ground?

Basileus, that's solved the acuuracy issue. Thanks!! But it's now an on-map system. I'd like it off-map if possible. How do I achieve this? You mentioned dismount FO's so I assume there is some way to make this off-map.
I'm using an Australian ASLAV-S, I have the weapon in slot 2 and 4 AP rounds. It won't kill an M-1 (yet) but that's just some tweaking, no doubt.
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I see what you mean, RAEME_Dave, make the firing unit off-map, and use the FO unit to guide the round. SP3 didn't have off-map artillery other than naval and fixed wing air, and I had difficulty creating an artillery unit that can toss HE as well as Copperhead. Since these guided munitions are worthless without the designating unit, I just mounted the Copperhead directly on the FO. While this impacts reality in that if the FO gets nailed you lose four Copperheads, or if the FO fires four Copperheads then it's out of ammo, it was the best compromise considering SP3's limitations. With WinSPMBT and off-map artillery, I suppose we could make say a four-round Accuracy 90 off-map unit and pair them up with a conventional tube off-map unit in the formation? The only problem with that is, if you give the conventional tube a fire mission and use the Copperhead unit in the same turn, you're effectively doubling the ROF of the same artillery formation (same problem if the FO unit fires in the SP3 version). Also, nothing stops the Copperhead off-map unit from map-firing on its own (won't hit well, but it can do it), whereas an on-map Copperhead firing unit would represent the necessary laser designate. One more thing, an off-map Copperhead unit will need a low ROF to reflect guiding individual rounds, or it will fire a flurry of Copperheads each round toward a target hex; an on-map firing unit can fire one at a time at a target, and using weapon slot 3 or 4 would keep ROF down. For these reasons, I'd recommend an on-map launch unit, in a mixed off-map/on-map formation so you don't buy FO units with Copperheads and no supporting off-map artillery units (one can always cross-attach the FOs to the supported line maneuver units during setup). What do you think?

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Default Re: Laser ordinance guidance /designation from ground?

I've used an off-map M198 howitzer, ROF 1, 4 rounds of AP. Everything else is the same as for a regular M198. In weapon slot 1 I've put an M712 Copperhead:
Class 17
Acc 100
Weapon size 12
Warhead size 8
HE pen 4
HE kill 21
AP pen 222
AP kill 0
Sabot pen 0
Sabot range 0
HEAT pen 65
Weapon range 220

Basileus, can you try this and see what you come up with? Oh, as for the FO I used an Australian ASLAV-S with 25 for rangefinder. In one test I got about 75% first-round hits.

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