Danish oob (1930-1943)

[math_villard]

JohnT said:
Started to proofread the OOB versus Chakoten TOE's articles in Danish and I have a number of alterations I think are appropriate.
Do you work on the OB-file so I just list my alterations in text or should I upload the OB-file directly?
I just kept myself to the Infantry so far.

Glad to see you enjoy this oob!

I agree with you: Denmark army was well equiped in 1940.

You can send me your alterations list.

Best Regards
/math_villard

[JohnT]

Hi Math
Do you have any special reason to give the guards units an extra experience/morale boost?

I haven't found any references that the Danes had any special treatment for the Guards units. As I got it it is just a matter of being located in the Copenhagen area?

The Norwegian Royal guards unit did have a longer conscript training than ordinary units but for instance in Sweden the Guards designation was something a couple of hundred years old and only important to those units NCO's

It would simplify the OOB if we could avoid the duplication of formations.

Best Regards
/John T

[JohnT]

Here comes my first try at the Danish-Blue OB.

First of all I have some probem with the Madsen machineguns,
as it is a 7.92mm LMG I think m.24 LMG should IMHO have a HEK of 5.
(While the Norwegian version was in 6.5mm and thus with a HEK of 4)
Same applies to the M.1929 MMG.
Applies to Weapon 5,9,19

The Madsen m/29 where aircooled and magazine feed and I think the weight makes it a MMG,
thus speed 5.
Unit 009 - Speed 5.
Unit 039 - Speed 5.

I am unshure of weapon 026-031..


The Madsen 20mm Autocannon Weapon 007, got APpen =3.
I suppose it should have the same 4 Pen as 20mm Kvk 30.
According to Tony Williams the stats are similar:
V0= 780/795
Proj Weight= 154/147,
muzzle Energy 46 800/46 500
And handled as a Autocannon regarding ammo loadout and HEK.
So new HeK = 9 but much lower ammo loadout.
Change ammoloadout in unit 012 and 052


Unit 7 , changed Hgn and Satchel charge to HE ammo
Unit 11, removed ammo of slot 3
Unit 31, changed Hgn and Satchel charge to HE ammo

Unit 019 Changed end date to 12/46 - Reuse unit for DanForce

Unit 040
added third mortar, radiocode = 90 and
Changed end date to 12/46 - Reuse unit for DanForce

Unit 057 Changed end date to 12/46 - Reuse unit for DanForce
Formation 37,38 "-

Unit 034-038 Changed end date to 12/46 - Reuse unit for DanForce
Formation 092 "-

Changed number of men in unit 006 to 9 and added "Platoon Headquarter squad"

New Units:
Clone of ordinary inf squad (unit 006)
Unit 071
Added Molotovs in slot 4

Clone of Guards inf squad (unit 013)
Unit 075
Added Molotovs in slot 4


Added Platoon Headquarter squad ( New class: medium inf)
Unit 070
Replaced LMG with sniper rifle in slot 2 and
Added Rifle grenades in slot 4

Unit 075
Replaced LMG with sniper rifle in slot 2 and
Added Rifle grenades in slot 4


Cavalry:
Changed unit 11 to startdate 1/37 and 8 men.
New Unit 85 copy of unit 11 with two rifles and no LMG end date 12/36
Formation 017 and 033 - removed one squad in plt.

Bikers:
Unit 8 LMG ammo to 60 HE, radiocode 30.
Formation 22 - removed one squad in plt and set end date to 12/36

Added Unit 87, A biker squad with MMG in second slot and end date 12/36
The induvidual biker squads did have M.29 MMG as squad weapon.
This is also an alternative setup for the MMG platoon used in rifle coy's.

Copied Formation 022 to slot 025 with start date 1/37 and four bike Plt (with Lmg Sqds)



Formation 002
Added one squad of unit 070 as last unit in Plt. to avoid the command squad to stick out,
now the "support" of rifle grenade and sniper are kept separate.
Formation 005
Added one squad of unit 075


Added Sniper in unit 080
and formation in 110

Formation 105 and 77, added third platoon of 37mm AT-guns.

Formation 4 and 7, removed second platoon of 20mm AT-guns.



created a clone of the Mortar Platoon (formation 13) in formation 111
But with purchase screen Infantery. Belive this is the cause why I can't buy
the formation 13 platoon as part of support company.

Changed Formation 4 and 7 to use Formation 111 rather than 13.


Radiocodes x3 in template units
Formation 92, changed to unit 35
Formation 076, changed to unit 57
Formation 104, changed to unit 57


Unit 21 and 50 Changed LBM to 784 (should be done in the French OB too)
Unit 22 amd 51 Changed LBM to 30290
Unit 14 -start date to 1/30 and changed name to CV


From Unit 100 and formation 150 used for DANFORCE.



Diverse, inconsistencies found by running the Database check option,
under the menu file-"Database check utilities"

Companies that would have formation type platoon:
011
100
101

Companies that would have formation type section:
014
039


All formations runs from 1/30, I have changed a few startdates
Formation - New Startdate
F030 - 01/31
F070 - 01/34
F071 - 01/34

Formation 095 and 098 contains a on mapp unit, FO in slot 1
while therest of the units are Off map units.
FO -delete from these formations.

Done Some AI-Tweaks-
Switched place between Inf coy F003 and support Coy F004, so AI buys more rifle coy's than support.

Moved Fortifications, Off map artillery, FO, and airstrikes, This caused a lot of changes in the formation

numering but I have tried to keep platoons and companies together or only move formations that are not subordinate to other formations.
Attached an Excel sheet with the original blue formations, the Danes and those formations I moved marked in yellow. It is far from a perfect AI force but now it gets bunkers and off map arty.


Cheers
/John T

[JohnT]

The excel needed a new post.

[JohnT]

Once again Thank you Mathieu
it is soo much easier to critizise others work than do it your self from the begining.

We still don't have any costal arty and very few resistance units.

Cheers
/John T

[math_villard]

JohnT said:
We still don't have any costal arty and very few resistance units.

Cheers
/John T

What do you now about the "V3" an armoured car built by danish resistance?

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/denmark/denmark.html

"We visited Copenhagen at the beginning of last December, where we visited the Danish Resistance museum. The V3 armored car mentioned on your Danish page is exhibited outside the museum (see attached picture). The museum sells a small booklet 'V3 Den danske Panservogn' by Jørgen H. Barford;
this has a number of pictures of the vehicle in which it appears that changing the markings was a bit of a hobby of the crew. I thought you might like some additional information about the vehicle:

The 2-ton Ford truck originally belonged to the Frederiksvaerk-Hundested railway line, the steel plates were obtained from the Frederiksvaerk steel-mill, from ships under repair. The work took two to three months; when the news of the forthcoming capitulation of German troops was announced, the car was not finished, and was secretly moved from the railway repair shop to the steel works. The work was finished as quickly as possible, abandoning secrecy for speed. After completion it was found that the front armor caused the engine to overheat, so a relatively enormous hole was cut in the front plate; the driver's viewing slit was enlarged so that the driver could actually see out. A photo of a liberation parade shows the V3 next to an unarmored lorry, and it is obvious that the weight of the armor is seriously affecting the vehicle's suspension. The car was armed with a bipod mounted light machine gun - which looks like a Bren to me - and the small arms of the crew of 5 or 6.

The Germans had recruited large numbers of Danes to act as terrorist gangs during the war; while German forces capitulated peacefully, the Danes in Nazi service continued to fight in a short, small-scale civil war. The V3's only combat was the capture of the Lorenzen gang, who were hiding in a summer cabin in Asserbo. The V3 turned up at the cabin, and fired a warning shot at the cabin. A gang member looked out, panicked, and shot himself in the head. His bullet, as well as killing him, hit the armored car. The V3 machine gunner opened fire on the house, but stopped when they realized there was no return fire. The house was stormed and the gang, along with a number of heavy weapons and much ammunition, were captured. There were 18 men and one woman in the house; 1 killed himself, and 2 were killed and 5 wounded by the V3. After this action the V3 toured Northern Zealand and then Copenhagen on a sort of promotional tour. While the V3 has a number of bullet holes in it, apparently only one of them, in the passenger side door, was from enemy action. The rest are from what Barfod describes as "target practice". No explanation of why they used their own armored car for target practice is given."

Cheers
/mathieu villard

[math_villard]

New simplified version of the danish oob, extended to 1946 by JohnT

[math_villard]

JohnT said:Once again Thank you Mathieu
it is soo much easier to critizise others work than do it your self from the begining.

You do a good job too. I'm very glad to share opinion.
I enjoy most of your alterations.

JohnT said:
First of all I have some probem with the Madsen machineguns,
as it is a 7.92mm LMG I think m.24 LMG should IMHO have a HEK of 5.
(While the Norwegian version was in 6.5mm and thus with a HEK of 4)
Same applies to the M.1929 MMG.
Applies to Weapon 5,9,19

I'm maybe wrong but I think M.1928 MMG is a 8mm machinegune, while M.1924 LMG is a 6.5 mm machinegun. The 8mm MG can have a HEK of 5, but 6.5 mm must keep a HEK of 4. The 6.5mm MG is used in others oob (netherland,...).

JohnT said:The Madsen 20mm Autocannon Weapon 007, got APpen =3.
I suppose it should have the same 4 Pen as 20mm Kvk 30.
According to Tony Williams the stats are similar:
V0= 780/795
Proj Weight= 154/147,
muzzle Energy 46 800/46 500
And handled as a Autocannon regarding ammo loadout and HEK.
So new HeK = 9 but much lower ammo loadout.
Change ammoloadout in unit 012 and 052

The problem is to keep all oob homogeneous : the madsen 20mm autocannon is also used in Greek oob, Spanish oob (nationalist and republican side), Finnish oob, Chinese oob (communist and natinalist) Dutch oob, US marines oob,...

JohnT said:Formation 095 and 098 contains a on mapp unit, FO in slot 1
while therest of the units are Off map units.
FO -delete from these formations.

What having deleted FO unit for? AI problems?

Cheers
/Mathieu Villard

[JohnT]

math_villard said:

I'm maybe wrong but I think M.1928 MMG is a 8mm machinegune, while M.1924 LMG is a 6.5 mm machinegun. The 8mm MG can have a HEK of 5, but 6.5 mm must keep a HEK of 4. The 6.5mm MG is used in others oob (netherland,...).
Cheers
/Mathieu Villard

I checked it in my only book on the Danish army. the Danes used the same 8mm round in the MMG and LMG, as I understands it is the same 7.92*57 as the Germans.

So that's the easy one.
BTW Sweden had a few Madsen MMG's in 6.5 used by the Navy,
so Madsen produced their guns to any calibre under 25mm.
Cheers
/John T

[JohnT]

math_villard said:
What having deleted FO unit for? AI problems?

Probably AI might be more problems with ordinary gameplay too.