SE5 screenshots ugly?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Hugh Manatee said:

Where might I do that?

Whoop, my mistake. Bethesda is offering Arena for a free download, not Daggerfall.

[Atrocities]

Ok, you all want to talk about fancy graphics vs game play, well lets look at some games that had those fancy graphics and where they are now compared to SEIV.

Armada I and II - um bargin bins at remote computer stores and garage sales around the world.

Odd I know there are more games out there that focused on graphics over game play, but I just cannot remember them to point them out. However I can point out that despite being six years old, SEIV albeit an obscure little game, is still KING OF THE HILL when it comes to true 4x games and game play.

In fact it is so much the king of the hill that NO Game developer to date has even tried to topple it. Oh sure you can mention Moo3, but we all know how that ended don't we?

Sure eye candy is very very important to any game, but as most of us know, its the game play that tells the life span of any game. SEIV, with its ugly graphics and dated looking UI, is still KOTH and even though SE V's graphics look ugly to some, the game play will tell the tale as to whether or not the game is going to be a success.

So stop the *****'en, and enjoy the fact that we have a new 4x game on the horizon. Either do that or go make your own game and see how easy the whole process is. I am sure non of us here will hold it against if you end up using dated graphics.

[Graeme Dice]

Atrocities said:
In fact it is so much the king of the hill that NO Game developer to date has even tried to topple it.

To be fair, no eveloper has tried to topple it because the potential market is so small that you can only make money in it as an independent.

[Atrocities]

I cannot argue you point about the market being small, but then again, its the small markets, or the nitch (sp) markets that make the games that last six years or more.

[Renegade 13]

Heh, my PBW turns even in a massive galaxy with lots of players around turn 150 only takes me about 20 minutes. Far from unplayable indeed!

[Suicide Junkie]

Indeed.

Processing the massive battles involving hundreds of ships, thousands of fighters and tens of thousands of missiles does take multiple hours on an old 800Mhz PC in the corner.

But actually playing the turn dosen't take much time. Waiting for people to get home from work, wake up, or whatever to play their turn takes the most time.

[Renegade 13]

Here's an idea; how about we just drop the topic??

Neither of you are going to convince the other of anything, and the arguement has long since surpassed the point of reiterating what you've already said multiple times.

[Graeme Dice]

Renegade 13 said:
Neither of you are going to convince the other of anything, and the arguement has long since surpassed the point of reiterating what you've already said multiple times.

If you don't like the thread, then I have a simpler solution for you. You can stop reading it. Or you can do anything else besides trying to protect the losing side by suggesting that people leave the topic alone.

[Captain Kwok]

I think what some of the posters are trying to say that they don't require sophisticated graphics to enjoy a game as long as the gameplay is fun/good. If the gameplay is good, then nice graphics can only make it better. Although sometimes it might be frustrating if a game with both strong gameplay/graphics is made slightly less playable because the graphics are a little too intensive, making the game run slower etc. In most cases these days, you can get by reducing some of those in-game settings.

I'm not sure how we got off-track debating the merits of worker automation in the Civ series, but in general I think most would agree that Civ3/Civ4 would be more tolerable than the earlier entries. Of course, it is also possible that a feature that was lost in one of the earlier games sours their experience in face of other new options.

Obviously the graphics in SE:V in comparison to other games are somewhat lacking, but there's likely a couple of reasons. First, the money issue - better graphics generally means more time, which equals more money. Second, in order to keep large fleet battles workable, some "caps" were kept in mind when making the 3d models so that the game wouldn't come to a near standstill for on most people's computers.

Graeme, you don't need to be so edgy. I think merely Renegade13 was suggesting that no one was changing their position, so the thread was becoming a continuous re-hash of the earlier postings.

[Renegade 13]

Graeme Dice said:

If you don't like the thread, then I have a simpler solution for you. You can stop reading it. Or you can do anything else besides trying to protect the losing side by suggesting that people leave the topic alone.

Where did I say I didn't like the thread? The debate about SE5 was interesting, this continuous debate back and forth, over and over without anything being accomplished is what's annoying. I'm not about to stop reading a thread just because some people don't know when to stop arguing about their own pet peeves.

Also...how did my previous statment, in any way, "protect the losing side"?? I have no idea...and the lack of activity on this topic until you dragged it up after a week of dormancy suggests that others believe this topic was about ready to die anyway. If I was feeling particularly uncharitable, I'd ask you what crawled up your *** today and died...after all, this hostility had to have come from somewhere...