Tips for A newbie Playing as R'lyeh

Arker · #1 July 30th, 2006, 08:22 PM

I have yet to see a starspawn with nature. Ever.

Graeme Dice · #2 July 30th, 2006, 08:33 PM

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Arker said:
I have yet to see a starspawn with nature. Ever.

Then you're just unlucky. You should see N1 about every fourth starspawn.

Arker · #3 July 30th, 2006, 09:55 PM

Hmm rough guess, I've seen maybe 60 starspawns. So that would be some incredible un-luck.

Another possibility would be that I didn't know enough to be paying attention and hoping for that until recently... possible I had some in early games and didn't even notice it. Either way, it does sound like some intense bad luck on that if it's supposed to be 1 in 4 though.

I'm playing with CB mod at the moment, though I wasn't always... possibly that changes it? I've noticed some definite patterns in what the random picks come out as, seems like it's not really random, but picks from a subset based on the unit, like my dwarven smiths when playing Vanheim never seem to get nature either. They get extra earth, fire, air, blood, water, undead and astral. I've had 30 of them sitting in my home province researching, but not one was nature.

Ygorl · #4 July 31st, 2006, 01:50 AM

It's a hair less than 1/4 (it's 15/64 to get at least N1).
Pretty sure these "patterns" are just our human tendency to find order even when there isn't any. I remember some people did some experiments a while back and it is actually random (as you'd expect - it would be harder to program them to be semi-random, it's not something you'd do accidentally)

If you've got 30 Smiths and you're looking for nature, the chance of finding 0 with nature is about 2%. Unlikely, sure, but nowhere close to impossible. Given the number of statistics just like that one that you can come up with (number of nature sites found, number of nature-gem events, number of...) it's likely that some of them will work out in an unlikely way.

If there are 50 different weird crappy unusual things that one might notice in a particular game (if they did by some freak chance happen), and each only has a 2% chance of happening, there would still be about a 2/3 chance that at least one of them would happen. Then the tendency would be to think "But... That's so unlikely to happen! There must be something funny in the way the game does this..." Then, next game, you'd be wondering why you didn't get any national heroes until turn 80... Then the next game, you'd be wondering why you had five barbarian attacks in the first ten turns... Then the next game you'd be wondering why you couldn't get a single frickin' sage with blood... There are just so many things that can happen in this game that some of them are bound to turn out weird.

shovah · #5 July 31st, 2006, 09:13 AM

In a game with atlantis i didnt get a nature king until after turn 50. Its over turn 60 now (nearly 70) and i still havnt got a blood king.

Oversway · #6 July 31st, 2006, 11:15 AM

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The biggest problem I keep running into playing R'lyeh is that they suck supplies like nothing else.

Are you playing with growth scale(s)? That may help...

shovah · #7 July 31st, 2006, 12:28 PM

yea, also i almost always take some nature on my pretenders, its so versatile and useful. You can forge good items, cast gift of reason, cast battlefield buffs like mass regen and protection/single buffs like personal regen. You also have good summons like lamia queens and vine kings.