CS Cruiser Tanks Ammo loadout

[chuckfourth]

Hi Andy
Actually it seems a shame to give this vehicle the a-historic HE loadout, I say this because these early cruiser squadrons are equipped with the non-HE firing 2 pdr guns. So actually these squadrons have a large tactical hole in them, being that they can't engage AT guns outside of MG range. So giving the CS tanks HE instead of the correct smoke very neatly and very a-historically plugs this hole, making these units a balanced formation when in fact they wernt.
I wonder, could these tanks be given there own class so that they can have their correct ammo loadout of smoke?
Maybe Im not the only one in the forum that enjoys the challenge of playing an unbalanced formation?
Best Regards Chuck.

[thatguy96]

The CS tank class already allows for additional "smoke" shots, but I don't think there's any way without a massive modification to the engine to get smoke into the basic ammo loadout.

[DRG]

There isn't and we're not going to.

Don

[chuckfourth]

Hi Don
Ok subject closed, But I would have thought that if you created a new class for these 3 vehicles you could then give them 40 or so "generated" smoke rounds using the same method that currently gives just a few. Then you could remove all but a few HE in the unit template.
By the way looking at my references in my origional post it seems the A13 CS should have its MGs removed.
Best regards Chuck.

[DRG]

There is a limit to the number of classes we can put into the game and that limit has been reached.

Don

[Mobhack]

also - if we made a special UK CS tank class, someone would
- Use that in another OOB for other things it was not intended for
- Write in complaining that the UK CS tanks have no ammo for thier howitzers!! in mobhack (not realising that the smoke comes from the initialisation code for the unit class)..

What we have now is a useful game-engine compromise for a minority unit (2 per cruiser squadron in the early war only), and also allows for the later 95mm support tanks as well utilising the same unit classes.

Cheers
Andy

[chuckfourth]

Hi Don
I think there may be a solution to this problem, could the later 95mm CS "cruiser" tanks (cromwell and comet) be moved into class '129-Close Support Tank'? Maybe this would then leave just the 2 early war cruiser tanks in '104-CS cruiser tank'. This class could be altered to allow these vehicles (and so their formations) to be modeled correctly. ie HE largly replaced by smoke and hence no ability to attack AT guns beyond MG range. The 95mm churchills already have their own class, '106-CS infantry tank'.
By the way, Is there any easy way I can tell what units are in each class? Also I would be very interested to know what the various class's parameters/charateristics are. Would this be possible?
Best Regards Chuck.

[narwan]

The following units use class 104 IN THE UK OB ALONE:

009 - Crusader I-CS - Available 05/041 to 03/042
011 - Crusader II-CS - Available 01/042 to 04/043
015 - Cromwell VI - Available 01/043 to 12/044
134 - A9 CS - Available 01/035 to 11/041
136 - A13 CS - Available 04/038 to 11/041
142 - Crusader III - Available 05/042 to 05/043
165 - Cromwell VIII - Available 03/044 to 12/046
200 - M3 SP 75mm - Available 01/043 to 12/044 *has X3 Radio Code*
296 - Honey - Available 11/041 to 06/042 *has X3 Radio Code*


The following units in the french OB use class 104:

211 - Crusader ICS - Available 05/041 to 03/042
213 - Crusader IICS - Available 01/042 to 04/043
359 - H-39 - Available 08/040 to 04/041
561 - Grant I - Available 10/042 to 04/043


The following units in the soviet OB use class 104:

003 - BT-7a - Available 06/037 to 10/041
095 - BT-5a - Available 01/035 to 09/041
115 - BT-2a - Available 10/031 to 07/041


In the Anzac OB the following use class 104:

013 - Crusader II-CS - Available 07/042 to 10/042
026 - Sherman IB - Available 01/045 to 12/046


In the Czechoslovakian OB its:

323 - Cromwell Mk.VI - Available 06/045 to 02/048


Easy way to find them is via Mobhack, goto 'database check utilities', select 'units checks', select or type in the desired unit class and press 'find UC'.

Narwan