Jomonese Blood-Magi???

[thejeff]

So demonic and undead leadership is still the same thing?

Do blood mages still get less of it than death mages?

Are there any new cheap demonic leaders?
It's always annoyed me to have to summon skeleton kings and the like to ferry demons around.

[Boron]

thejeff said:
So demonic and undead leadership is still the same thing?

Do blood mages still get less of it than death mages?

Are there any new cheap demonic leaders?
It's always annoyed me to have to summon skeleton kings and the like to ferry demons around.

Hm then you will be slightly annoyed maybe .

It is still like in Dom2. Imho there was no need to change it though. If you look at it from another way you might like it maybe:

Imho this adds complexity and makes some nations more fun to play. Mictlan for example has now nationspecific uber blood summons. BUT blood leadership is slightly problematic for them. They have some new blood leader summons, but those are either expensive or have other minor weaknesses.
So this way the mictlan player has to be creative .

Also keep in mind the new random system. Now unlike in Dom2 a nation who does not get blood randoms has a very very tough time to try to get blood too. So imho it is fine as it is and if blood and undead leadership would be seperated it would make the game less interesting imho because some nice leadership problems for blood nations where the players have to be creative do not exist anymore.

[thejeff]

It's not so much that it's more complex or interesting. I've never had great problems getting leaders for demons.

It just seems unthematic for the simplest solution to be summon up some cheap undead leaders. Now if that becomes really hard in Dom3, it may add some interest. But since you only need 1D and a couple of gems, it seems likely that indy mages will supply that even with the new randoms.

Of course, it also pushes towards the uber blood summons instead of armies of lesser demons.

[Boron]

thejeff said:
It's not so much that it's more complex or interesting. I've never had great problems getting leaders for demons.

It just seems unthematic for the simplest solution to be summon up some cheap undead leaders. Now if that becomes really hard in Dom3, it may add some interest. But since you only need 1D and a couple of gems, it seems likely that indy mages will supply that even with the new randoms.

Of course, it also pushes towards the uber blood summons instead of armies of lesser demons.

All the indy mages got redone too. Getting a death indy mage is not so easy, you need to be very lucky for that. Iirc the only poptype death mage that you can find is the death amazon tribe and from magic sites there are not that many neither i think. Maybe 2-3 rare ones.
So if you have no death getting access to death magic is not so easy anymore.

And those cheap death summons are imho suboptimal to lead devil armies etc. since they are a liability then and can easily die in a battle.
Also to use them effectively you need e.g. air boots.

Most Dom3 blood nations do not easily get air or death, so it might be quite interesting in Dom3.

For Dom2 with the Dom2 random system you are correct though there you just got any path eventually with the randoms .