SE:V Poll

Black_Knyght · #1 September 20th, 2006, 02:01 AM

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Except that Ive already bought the game (but would rather not vote that way). And there is also not one for "I think SEV went the wrong direction completely".

I was wondering if it was too soon to poll the question of whether they should be an SEV forum.

Which "wrong direction" ? SE5 is 90% SE4 concept- and gameplay-wise, do you refer to the new move to 3D ?
Although I'm not happy with the UI I still find the new graphics much better than SE4s, which looked like a spreadsheet more than a game at (numerous) times ...

And the SE5 forum is here isn't it ?

I would rather have seen an improved SEIV game (AI, UI, modding, etc) rather than an eye-candy bloated SEV game. Thats just my opinion but I feel that the scren is full of pretty pictures which slow down the game and make it harder to play at a decent speed. I also wonder if the 3D thing might not slow down the creation of new races which is one of the things I loved about SEIV was having something like 300 races in it. And giant maps (als0 modded in later by players). The SEIV out-of-the-box was a very tiney game, almost a demo itself, compared to what the player mods turned it into.

As for the forums, thats exactly my point. I would rather that the SEIV forums NOT become the SEV forum since Im beginning to doubt whether SEIV will die off now.

And I think Shrapnel would support the creation of such a forum. The fact that this forum has traffic is not really a selling point. The load and archiving of this forum is something that just makes me more appreciative that Shrapnel keeps these things running for its ex-products.

Just a quick couple of comments-

A) I'm thinking GP may be onto to something here, since it seems that the lean here is towards SEV, shouldn't there be a place to discuss just SEIV if you haven't thrown in the towel on it or put it aside in favor of SEV?

B) Again, an example here of leaning against anyone not completely in favor of SEV. GP's opinion is that SEV went the wrong way for his likes. HIS opinion, and as valid as anyone else's. And he's promptly corrected.

C) I disagree (just my opinion !!!) that "Gameplay-wise" the new SEV is "90%" the same as SEIV. Seems to me that nearly everything from ship design to actual on-screen game play is different. The concepts may be the same, but the actual gameplay is far different.

Fyron · #2 September 20th, 2006, 02:13 AM

I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill... I do honestly think the 3d shipset thing is being blown out of proportion by some people. It isn't that big of a change for most shipset authors. It has absolutely nothing to do with "leaning on anyone not completely in favor of SE5"... In fact, if you review more of my recent postings, you will see numerous complaints.

Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:

http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-c3.html
http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-30.html

StarShadow · #3 September 20th, 2006, 02:30 AM

Maybe it wasn't your intention, but that sounds a lot like 'if you don't like it you can go somewhere else', which isn't exactly a friendly thing to say.

se5a · #4 September 20th, 2006, 02:47 AM

actualy no starshadow, that was an slightly subtle plug.

Fyron · #5 September 20th, 2006, 03:08 AM

StarShadow:
That was not my intention. BK already posts over there anyways.

se5a:
Shush! They will find me out! :eyes shift rapidly side to side:

StarShadow · #6 September 20th, 2006, 03:15 AM

Black_Knyght · #7 September 20th, 2006, 05:18 AM

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I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill... I do honestly think the 3d shipset thing is being blown out of proportion by some people. It isn't that big of a change for most shipset authors. It has absolutely nothing to do with "leaning on anyone not completely in favor of SE5"... In fact, if you review more of my recent postings, you will see numerous complaints.

Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:

http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-c3.html
http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-30.html

Mountain or molehill, I know what I like, and what I don't.

The "3D shipset thing" isn't what I said at all. No, I don't like the entire 3D format it went to - ships, planets, solar systems, whatever. If I'd personally been interested in that, there are much better 3D environment games I'd have gone with. And some of those "numerous complaints" are just like the ones of mine you just shot down. I was refering to, and seconding, GP's suggestion to create a SEIV section, since obviously SEV has overwhelmingly swamped the forum as it stands now.

And as to a general lean against dissenting points of view - "Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:" is a pretty good example. That statement seems to shout "If I don't like the dominating topic here, I can just pack up and go elsewhere". And obviously that's not my point of view alone, as StarShadow's comment proves. I don't beleive the overall tone is deliberately negative, but I do see it as being there just the same.

Honestly, I think overall SEV is a long-awaited treasure for some people, and missed the marked big-time for others. And it is certainly seems to be drawing a very subtle line in the sand...

Fyron · #8 September 20th, 2006, 07:31 AM

I think there has been some serious miscommunication here.

Matryx · #9 September 20th, 2006, 10:00 AM

Calm down guys. Fyron's (And others) stance has never seemed to come across as a "like it or shut up/move on".... he runs SpaceEmpires.net and provides the SE4 forums over there (as well as others) so you can hardly try and draw the conclusion that he's trying to oust the SE4 lot - if that were the case I'd expect him to shut down those forums for a start...

A lot of people seem to be assuming others are either anti-SE5 or anti-SE4.... those who have been around long enough will know better, and those who haven't should remember that this is a very relaxed community and barring one incident about 6/7 years ago I can't think of any dramabombs I've witnessed. Sit back, take a breath, and read it all again without assumptions.

At the moment, of course SE5 (Demo) is going to be in the limelight... it's less than a week (ok, slightly more than a week) out of the door and everyone's going to have their chance to say "oooo toy" and make their observations - in a week or two when new Q/A have been dealt with, people have made up their minds, and the demo has been explored to it's fullest you should start to see conversation returning to SE4 - this is after all an SE4 and SE5 forum.

In other news, if you're feeling a lack of love for SE4 threads at the moment, start one - or stick to an existing one - popular threads will sit on top and you can just skip those you aren't interested in.

Gandalf Parker · #10 September 24th, 2006, 02:29 PM

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Imperator Fyron said:

Seriously though, if you want forums that will always be devoted to SE4, you could always use SEnet:

http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-c3.html
http://www.spaceempires.net/home/forum-30.html

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The forums that were SEIV when SEIV sold here, and has all the SEIV information archived, should be the ones that move to a new location? I have no problem with an SEV forum being created here but I dont think the SEIV conversations moving is a good idea.

And isnt that your domain? The SEIV conversations should switch to a forum where you are moderator? Altho Im sure you see no problem with that, dont be surprised if others do.

Gandalf Parker