What everyone hated about SE:IV

Suicide Junkie · #1 October 1st, 2006, 06:44 PM

Which is exactly why I don't care to bug Aaron about stock too much.
Let Aaron work on the things that only he can fix, and leave the actual datafiles to us.

If only he'd let us write "stock"...

Tim_Ward · #2 October 1st, 2006, 07:27 PM

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If only he'd let us write "stock"...

Not a bad idea.

Seriously, maybe it's time for Aaron to employ a few guys...

Devnullicus · #3 October 5th, 2006, 03:07 AM

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If only he'd let us write "stock"...

Not a bad idea.

Seriously, maybe it's time for Aaron to employ a few guys...

Heh, if Aaron wanted to do some short-term contract outsourcing, I'd be happy to make some "stock" data files for SE5.

Hmmm, then again, my employer might have some issues with that since I already make computer games for a living. On the other hand, I suspect that if the opportunity arose, I could definitely talk my company into looking the other way

And, of course, if he wanted a programming partner for SE6, well... hey, I can't imagine many other games I'd rather work on

But I have a feeling that Aaron likes working alone. And I have to say I don't blame him! Making a game as a labor of love is very different than churning out games in teams of 100+ people!

Atrocities · #4 October 5th, 2006, 04:32 AM

What do I hate about SEIV?

1. The political system stinks.
2. No way to limit a component or facility to 1 per empire.
3. Intel is broken
4. No hero system
5. Limited AI ability
6. AI that doesn't follow the rules. (one per vehicle and the AI puts on two or more.)
7. No 3d planets.
8. Ugly limited 2d top down views that don't allow for scale of ship sizes.
9. No way to rename systems or insure that your going to start in the system you want unless you use the map editor.
10. The map editor is tedious and annoying.

Glyn · #5 October 5th, 2006, 11:04 AM

Atrocities, In #7 what do you mean by "No 3d planets"?
I assume your not talking about the planet objects in the system view.

Noble713 · #6 October 5th, 2006, 05:50 PM

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2. No way to limit a component or facility to 1 per empire.

Do we have this ability in SE5 now?

MasterChiToes · #7 October 5th, 2006, 09:44 PM

One thing that I hated about SEIV was that stars were created from empty space, and not nebulae... nebulae should come from exploded stars and stars should come from collapsed nebulae...

and what was with only being able to create one star per system?

Baron Munchausen · #8 October 5th, 2006, 10:34 PM

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MasterChiToes said:
One thing that I hated about SEIV was that stars were created from empty space, and not nebulae... nebulae should come from exploded stars and stars should come from collapsed nebulae...

and what was with only being able to create one star per system?

Yes, this is one of the areas where realism would not hurt game play. Blowing up stars should always create a nebula. There is no need for the 'special' create nebula device. And when you 'destroy' a black hole it could also leave a nebula, since all the material trapped in that black hole has to go somewhere when it 'collapses'...

A slight adjustment of the mechanics of 'stellar manipulation' would contribute quite a bit to the believability of the game.

The reason for the restriction of one star per system was to keep people from filling a system solid with ringworlds or sphereworlds. While it's not very 'logical' to have an arbitrary limit you need to draw the line somwhere just as a practical matter. I'd actually be in favor of some further 'megascale' technology to make more than one star in a system. There is always room for one more god-like technology.

Artaud · #9 October 1st, 2006, 09:27 PM

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Suicide Junkie said:
If only he'd let us write "stock"...

I agree. The one-man development shop thing can only do so much. Development by committee is also not good, but many of the issues being brought up here as SEV "negatives" appear to have been brought up by the beta testers to Aaron. For whatever reason, he did not or could not act upon their suggestions.

Most of the things I see being brought up as "bugs" or irritants are really things that are rather obvious.

Kamog · #10 October 2nd, 2006, 12:23 AM

Those were the good old days. When the first version 0.51 demo for SEIV came out, the A.I.'s were very weak and they didn't create fleets, so ships came through warp points one by one and attacked one by one. It was too easy to beat the A.I.'s and it quickly got boring.

SEV will be fixed and improved over time, just like SEIV did.