OT: Illegal immigrants sue Wendy's... - Page 2

Captain Kwok · #11 October 8th, 2006, 10:05 PM

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Renegade 13 said:
I think that if someone is an illegal immigrant, they should immediately and without recourse be shipped back where they came from (unless they want to try to claim asylum). If you don't make illegal immigration an unattractive option, it will continue and grow larger all the time. Deport 'em (after giving them the money that was taken from them illegally).

Hmm. Perhaps if a) companies didn't make it so easy for illegal immigrants to be employed and b) the general public were willing to pay a few more dollars for something, you might have less of a problem.

Wade · #12 October 8th, 2006, 10:39 PM

A nation is defined by it's borders, language, and culture. Per: Michael Savage: www.michaelsavage.com

I agree with slick and Renegade thirteen. Illegal imigration is like cutting in line. Rarely is that tolerated. How does someone cuttting in line make you feel?

Illegal immigration is a slap in the face to legal immigrants and an affront to the citizens of the nation.

Some claim the benefits of these illegal immigrants but never consider the heavy costs that far outweigh any perceived benifits.

Desdinova · #13 October 8th, 2006, 10:44 PM

I am divided on this whole illegal/legal topic (not in the forum but in general).

In this case the workers were trying to follow the rules set forth but due to either error or mismanagement the paperwork was not filed and they were willing to pay for this assistance. Its not their fault but under the law they get punished for it. I feel they deserve to get compensated for this.

In general i do not care for all the "Illegals" that are in this country, but then again the bulk of my ancestry could probably be considered illegal since they took the land from the ones who lived here b4 them back in the beginning. I do not care for the loss of jobs as a result of this (and the whole shipping of jobs overseas either), however they are willing to do jobs that many "citizens" would not be willing to do, especially at the rates they get paid for.

I see that the US is going to be building its own BERLIN WALL between the US and Mexico, partially as a SECURITY issue to prevent terrorists from crossing the border. Well don't forget the northern boarder if it TRULY is for security reasons. So far every time we got our butts kicked here at home it was because we were arrogantly complacent that no one would dare attack us on US soil. but this is off the topic of this thread.

Renegade 13 · #14 October 9th, 2006, 01:59 AM

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Desdinova said:
...But then again the bulk of my ancestry could probably be considered illegal since they took the land from the ones who lived here b4 them back in the beginning.

There's a big difference between that and illegal immigration. North America was settled by Europeans, and taken from those who were here before. Taken. Conquered, if you like. Conquering is a lot different from illegal immigration.

Azselendor · #15 October 9th, 2006, 01:22 PM

I always get a kick of those with no rights, breaking the law, pretend they have rights beyond that of those read by the arresting officer.

Renegade 13 is correct, Conquest is different from illegal immigration.

European Conquered North American by the elimination (I can't make this any more mild) of native americans.

however...

Europeans (now americans) conquered 2/3rds of Mexico by illegal immigration

Ludd · #16 October 9th, 2006, 01:29 PM

Supporting illegal immigrants is, perhaps, as bad as exploiting illegal immigrants. Neither one stops illegal immigration.

Azselendor · #17 October 9th, 2006, 03:27 PM

The biggest solution to ending illegal immigration is to understand why they come here.

That is, predominately, work and a better-life. Perhaps the US should focus some attention to building Mexico into a better a country with good jobs and quality of living.

Ludd · #18 October 9th, 2006, 04:01 PM

The real question is whether a country has the right to control immigration. I believe they do. Illegal immigrants should be treated with respect and compassion but should be returned to their own country. No appeals, no delays, no ambiguity. It should be made simple - if you are illegal you will be deported.

Everyone wants a better life, but breaking the law is not the way to go about it.

Black_Knyght · #19 October 9th, 2006, 04:40 PM

I find it a little hard to swallow personally because of the amount of time many of theses "illegals" have been working illegally, and haven't made the effort the become legal here.

A number of "Amnesty" and similar programs have come and gone, over the past decade at least, and yet these people still remain illegals.

I've worked in Texas, New Mexico, and California with many such illegals, and the majority I've encountered stay under the radar because they can get away with more than if they became "recognized" as legal immigrants.

These people (in the lawsuit) have had many opportunities to become legal workers, but now are jumping at the opportunity to exploit a loophole that lets them sue somebody else for not doing what they themselves should've done.

Yes, they paid into a program to get it done, but they could've easily done it just fine themselves and not had to pay anybody. Paying somebody else to take care of their situation was just another way of staying under the radar. They wanted the blanket coverage of a corporation rather than drawing attention to themselves as individuals.

Mephisto · #20 October 9th, 2006, 06:49 PM

As far as I understand it it was a program that required Wendys and the immigrants to participate, not just the immigrants.
Why is hiring someone to do your legal proceedings bad? People are hiring other people all day long to to tasks for them in every aspect of the lives. And if these people mess up why should you not hold them responsible for it?
If I screw up as paramedic or lawyer I will stand to my obligations towards my patients/clients.