OT: Illegal immigrants sue Wendy's...

[Azselendor]

The biggest solution to ending illegal immigration is to understand why they come here.

That is, predominately, work and a better-life. Perhaps the US should focus some attention to building Mexico into a better a country with good jobs and quality of living.

[Ludd]

The real question is whether a country has the right to control immigration. I believe they do. Illegal immigrants should be treated with respect and compassion but should be returned to their own country. No appeals, no delays, no ambiguity. It should be made simple - if you are illegal you will be deported.

Everyone wants a better life, but breaking the law is not the way to go about it.

[Black_Knyght]

I find it a little hard to swallow personally because of the amount of time many of theses "illegals" have been working illegally, and haven't made the effort the become legal here.

A number of "Amnesty" and similar programs have come and gone, over the past decade at least, and yet these people still remain illegals.

I've worked in Texas, New Mexico, and California with many such illegals, and the majority I've encountered stay under the radar because they can get away with more than if they became "recognized" as legal immigrants.

These people (in the lawsuit) have had many opportunities to become legal workers, but now are jumping at the opportunity to exploit a loophole that lets them sue somebody else for not doing what they themselves should've done.

Yes, they paid into a program to get it done, but they could've easily done it just fine themselves and not had to pay anybody. Paying somebody else to take care of their situation was just another way of staying under the radar. They wanted the blanket coverage of a corporation rather than drawing attention to themselves as individuals.

[Mephisto]

As far as I understand it it was a program that required Wendys and the immigrants to participate, not just the immigrants.
Why is hiring someone to do your legal proceedings bad? People are hiring other people all day long to to tasks for them in every aspect of the lives. And if these people mess up why should you not hold them responsible for it?
If I screw up as paramedic or lawyer I will stand to my obligations towards my patients/clients.

[Black_Knyght]

Mephisto said:
As far as I understand it it was a program that required Wendys and the immigrants to participate, not just the immigrants.
Why is hiring someone to do your legal proceedings bad? People are hiring other people all day long to to tasks for them in every aspect of the lives. And if these people mess up why should you not hold them responsible for it?
If I screw up as paramedic or lawyer I will stand to my obligations towards my patients/clients.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that hiring someone to do your legal proceedings is bad. But not following through with your own legal responsibilities or obligations (such as correcting the issues of citizenship, legal work permits, or immigration), then using the legal system to punish someone else who didn't follow through seems a bit bent to me.

If a lwayer, doctor, or paramedic failed at their job, of course they'd be accountable. But then, you can be sure they followed all the appropriate steps needed to get there and become accountable, too.

The issue for me is not that the lawyers didn't do their job, but that the knowingly illegal workers are expecting them to follow rules they themselves do not feel obligated to. Yes, the lawyers screwed up, but aren't those who persist in remaining illegal when they've more than enough opportunity not to be screwing things up too?

[narf poit chez BOOM]

Why not just allow anyone who doesn't have a criminal record to immigrate?

[AMF]

Black_Knyght said:
A number of "Amnesty" and similar programs have come and gone, over the past decade at least, and yet these people still remain illegals.

Can ypu provide further details or information on amnesty programs for illegals over the past decade or so?

[Black_Knyght]

narf poit chez BOOM said:
Why not just allow anyone who doesn't have a criminal record to immigrate?

That's what frustrates me here -> They already CAN do that. They jusy didn't chose to.

AMF said:
Can ypu provide further details or information on amnesty programs for illegals over the past decade or so?

You wouldn't need to request details or info on this if you every watched the news, especially in states most affected by illegal immigrants. Every few months theres some article about it. Additionally, these same illegals who readily know how to get Welfare can use the same offices & services to gain citizenship or legal working status, and have been able to for years.

Atrocities said:
If Wendy's broke the law then they should pay. Being illegal employee or immigrant, doesn't give a company the right to treat people like slaves.

I wholehearted agree, and don't believe for a minute that if Wendy's broke the law or treated these people badly they should get away with it. My problem lies in people like the individual who's been here 14yrs, knowingly illegal, using this event to their advantage. Without sounding hard-*** (which is not where I'm coming from here), he and many others like him have had numerous chances to avoid this problem and didn't. Them an opportunity comes to gain from it and there's a lawsuit.

My only real point in all of this is that I believe illegal is illegal, and if the opportunity exists to correct that then they should've done so. Especially the people who have knowingly skirted that edge for years.

As I've said earlier, I have worked with many such people, and have had first-hand experience with many, many people who skirt the system until they can use it to their advantage. I think if you want to live here and work here, more power to you. Just do it legally. I believe if you're law-abiding and willing to work you're more than welcome here. But if come here knowingly illegal, work illegally, do anything illegally, you should have to face the consequences of your actions. I am a legal citizen here, and you can bet if I break the law I'm held accountable. Should someone who's here illegally be any less accountable?

Please understand, I'm not against these people in any way. I just don't agree with people who are illegal using a system established by people who are to their advantage.

[AMF]

Black_Knyght said:
You wouldn't need to request details or info on this if you every watched the news, especially in states most affected by illegal immigrants.

Ok, I'll ignore the snarkiness, and ask the question again, becuase I really just want to know, and you stated that you did know: can you tell me more about thsese amnesty programs that existed? Really, I just want to know.

I mean, from a personal POV this whole amnesty issue is probably the sole remaining issue that I agree with Bush on, so I am quite curious about it.

If you don't want to tell me, that's fine (weird, but fine).

You also mention:

Every few months theres some article about it. Additionally, these same illegals who readily know how to get Welfare can use the same offices & services to gain citizenship or legal working status, and have been able to for years.

Can you tell me more in this regard as well? It's always been my understanding that the, aside from being born on US soil or being born to US parents, the only way to become a citizen was through the naturalization process, which requires one to have held a green card for many years. To get a green card, you have to either be a permanent resident, or win one in the annual lottery. To get perm resident status, I think you have to be married to a US citizen, or have an employer sponsor...

But if there are amnest programs about, then I would like to know more about them. Also, if I've got the above wrong, please let me know. Really!

Thanks,

AMF

[Atrocities]

AMF, I don't think he was directly speaking about a specific amesty program but more so about dicussions he may have watched or heard on news programs.

I believe he my have been generalizing a decade of dicussions without considering the possiblity that someone might want more specific information. He cannot be faulted for this as I am sure he did not intend to be grilled in a sentence per sentence manor regarding his comments.

I am sure that if you yourself investigated the subject you could offer more specific insight about the topic of amnesty.

I am sure that we would all benefit from your research into the topic.