Panzerfaust 3 IT-600

[DRG]

If anyone has any hard info on if this weapon has entered service or not I would appreciate a date.

PLEASE......no quotes from Wikipedia !

No guesses either....


edit: and has it been sold to any other nations?

[PlasmaKrab]

Just checked the Bundeswehr website.
They make no mention of the IT-600 in their 'current weapons' page, so surely not in service yet. (here for PzFst page, try this one for further info if it works.)

On the other hand, it is briefly mentionned in the 'future infantry' (IdZ) projects page, which means it should be in the operational trials stage. Now for an IOC date...

For reference, here is an ArmyTechnology.com quote on the IdZ program.

A quantity of 1,600 IdZ V1 systems is scheduled for delivery between 2006 and 2007 and the systems will enter service with the Bundeswehr Spezielle Operationen (Bundereswher Special Operations).

Sorry, best data I could find, hope that helps in any way.

[DRG]

Most of those webpages I had already checked ( or at least English versions..the German versions look familiar.) As you say, it is briefly mentioned in the 'future infantry' (IdZ) projects page but again, no dates

Typically there is conflicting info ( which is why it's always fun when people find "errors" in the OOB's )

The German website says.."Die Kampfentfernung gegen stehende und beweglich Ziele wird von 300 auf 600 m erhöht."

so a 600 metre range which is also what I have found in many other places..that's why it's known as the 3T-600 but in the "ArmyTechnology.com quote on the IdZ program." they say......"Panzerfaust has a range of 300m against moving targets and 500m against stationary targets." so that's the PzFaust 3T ( dual charge ) version NOT the new 3T600

It's always SUCH fun sorting this out.

BTW, we now have a new "Multi Charge RPG" class in the game so things like the RPG-29 and Pzfst 3T are now modeled correctly for dealing with ERA equipped vehicles. If anyone has a ready list of all the DC RPG type weapons currently in use we would appreciate the info

Thanks

[PlasmaKrab]

Given the 'improved accuracy' rethoric on everyone's website, I'd say that the IT-600 sight gives decent hit probability against moving targets out to 600m as opposed to 300m for the basic PzFSt-III. The BW is clearly talking about operational range, not overall (technical) range. You could surely lob a PzFst rocket one mile away, but hitting anything would be potluck. Same with the Dynarange suit.

I don't know what the new accuracy rating has to be to have the same hit% at 600m as the PzFst-III had at 300m, you can probably figure that out better.
Remember that the system is clearly a clip-on sight, so the overall parameters of the projectile (including range) should probably left unchanged from the PzFst-3T.

Thinking about it, what about giving a decent FC rating to the PsFst-3 IT-600 teams?
I don't know if that is doable, but all in all, that would make at least as much sense as increasing the accuracy.

I'll tell you if I find anything reliable about service of other tandem-HEAT weapons. For starters, you may want to look up the Dutch Defence Ministry website, apparently the winning contender of the SRAT program was something called "PanzerFaust-3T600... dunno how it turned out eventually. With any chance you'll be able to decipher official Dutch articles better than me!

[kikka]

Don,
when you write about a "Multi Charge RPG" class, do you mean already available or upcoming with the new V3 patch?
I know I should check with Mobhack, but my PC's presently down.
If
just upcoming, wouldn't it be easier to implement a new HEAT class, say 223, which would allow to model even multicharge tank ammo?
Thanks for your dedication.

[DRG]

The 222 code is used to allow LAWs etc in slots other than the first one (the only one with a HEAT slot). It is a switch to tell these to use HEAT pen figure instead of AP, *IF* the round is listed as AP. It's not used for slot one weapons which is the one the tank guns use

Don

[DRG]

PlasmaKrab said:
I don't know what the new accuracy rating has to be to have the same hit% at 600m as the PzFst-III had at 300m, you can probably figure that out better.
Remember that the system is clearly a clip-on sight, so the overall parameters of the projectile (including range) should probably left unchanged from the PzFst-3T.

Thinking about it, what about giving a decent FC rating to the PsFst-3 IT-600 teams?
I don't know if that is doable, but all in all, that would make at least as much sense as increasing the accuracy.

<Snip>

I'll worry about how to deal with them once I know who's using the system and right now all I ever find on the web are talk about the system NOT who's using it. I can assume the current nations that use the Pzf 3 system would be the prime customers but you know what happens when things are "assumed"..they usually end up wrong

As to the range..no they wouldn't be the same range as the Pzf 3 ( and 3T ) in game terms. This new one extends the range so that would be reflected in the stats ( upped to 12 hexes from 10 ) but first, before I put them in I need to find out who....if anyone..is using it. I also need to fid out if the existing Pzf 3 customers are also using the 3T version

Don

[narwan]

Should there be any dutch files that need translating (on this or other OB issues) feel free to get it touch with me.

Narwan

[Alpha]

I have also a Pz.F. question when did the orig. PF3 enter wide service in the WG army ? 1990 or 91 ??

[DRG]

Alpha said:
I have also a Pz.F. question when did the orig. PF3 enter wide service in the WG army ? 1990 or 91 ??

There was a bit of a debate about that but the very earliest would be late 1992 and they are now set up to appear 1/93 in the West German OOB I'm working on for V3. ( this corrects the dates in the OOB's you have now )
The 3T version , which has been added to the OOB's I'm working on now but not in the OOB's you have, entered service in 1998 and it is a dual charge warhead which is now modeled in the game as such with it's own weapon class