Neural Combat Net

Cheeze · #1 November 16th, 2001, 01:17 AM

Sorry, you cannot acquire the unique ruins technologies through Analyze. In fact, you cannot even receive them as a gift or tribute. Keep the dreadnought

Shyrka · #2 November 16th, 2001, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by Lynx:
Sorry, you cannot acquire the unique ruins technologies through Analyze. In fact, you cannot even receive them as a gift or tribute. Keep the dreadnought

Really? This isn't logic IMO. I think all techs should can be gifted/traded/Analyzed (Can you steal it?). Even Racial techs. What do you think?

Seik · #3 November 17th, 2001, 02:09 AM

I think you should not do so.

Because there are Racial Boni you can t steal (ex. Propulsion Experts etc.).

If you can steal Org./Crystl. there has to be an option to steal all other boni as well.

MegaTrain · #4 November 16th, 2001, 08:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Lynx:
Sorry, you cannot acquire the unique ruins technologies through Analyze. In fact, you cannot even receive them as a gift or tribute. Keep the dreadnought

Really? I have successfully traded a "Massive Shield Generator" tech I found to another player.

Actually, it was a neutral AI race, so I'm not sure if he actually received it or was able to use it. (But it did give me a mighty fine bargaining position to get his colonization tech.)

Suicide Junkie · #5 November 16th, 2001, 10:33 PM

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Really? I have successfully traded a "Massive Shield Generator" tech I found to another player.

You can gift racial techs to other players, but unless thay have that racial ability they cannot make use of it.
In the case of ancient/ruins tech, everybody else will be unable to use it at all. Either thay have it, and are maxed out on the tech, or they don't have it, and can't get any levels at all.

You've been exploiting the AI.

Shyrka · #6 November 16th, 2001, 11:05 PM

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Originally posted by seik:
I think you should not do so.

Because there are Racial Boni you can t steal (ex. Propulsion Experts etc.).

If you can steal Org./Crystl. there has to be an option to steal all other boni as well.

So, racial techs are some kind of "instinct" owned by the race? IMO that's the only way to give the "racial" adjective to a technology. But racial techs must be researched, just as conventional technology (It is only knowledge, developed by the scientist/priests). So, something here is not correct (Perhaps my concepts

fused

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The other racial boni, like the propulsion experts, sounds like an experience that the race has gained throughout its evolution, or a feature of his biological structure. Obviously, none of this can be stealed or gifted

.

BTW, i think the word "Species" is more adequate than "Races" (In Spanish "Races" are for the different minor variations of the aspect of an Specie

)

Suicide Junkie · #7 November 17th, 2001, 01:25 AM

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So, racial techs are some kind of "instinct" owned by the race? IMO that's the only way to give the "racial" adjective to a technology. But racial techs must be researched, just as conventional technology (It is only knowledge, developed by the scientist/priests). So, something here is not correct (Perhaps my concepts fused

True, it is reserached, and can likely be stored on computers and stone tablets.

For some, like Psychic and Temporal, the physical ability would be cruicial. How do you explain sight to an alien without eyes? How can you expect them to know that the TV their trying to build has a fuzzy picture?
Organic and crystalline, too. Having the ability to form DNA or crystals at will, and possibly also using them as a language would make the tech pretty much inaccesible to outsiders.
What about religious? How about the race forming a collective entity in a sort of psychic-like way. They all have minimal telekinetic powers, and the shrines unify the will of the masses towards a goal, which then happens like magic.
Imagine the nature shrine setup such that visitors think of making cold people warm. Then those 1M people on the harsh ice moon find that the TK powers of the people who have visited the shrine are warming their planet. That would be pretty cool. Research points would be spent learning what evokes the strongest and longest-Lasting responses from the population. Gifted shrines would probably have caretakers from the religious species to power it.