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Fyron · #51 November 2nd, 2002, 06:45 AM

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To say that the only way an empire can surrender is when it is beaten to death by a larger opponent and then only to that empire is childish and narrow minded. Furthermore it isn't even without precedence. Many a time a larger empire can simply demand surrender of an empire while not at war in single player. If you are powerful enough it just surrenders. I guess some would say that must be a 'bug' and needs to be fixed.

No one should enforce thier way as the 'one true way' to play SE4.

I resent those remarks. I am in no way "childish" or "narrow minded," and name-calling does not help your arguement at all. Please refrain from such actions in the future.

Surrender was only not disabled because the game host forgot to tick that checkmark when starting the game. So, their actions are actually illegal within the rules of the game in question.

Aside from that, surrender is not a well-implemented feature. I would not want an empire that is being defeated to surrender to anyone because of this. It is too all-encompassing. Just because the emperor says "we surrender" does not mean that everything and everyone immediately joins the enemy without a fight or any resistance at all.

A "merger" is a gross violation of the intent of the surrender option, and should never be allowed unless the house rules of the game specifically allow for it.

What the AIs do in single-player games has absolutely no bearing upon what human players do. That is not a valid arguement.

dumbluck · #52 November 2nd, 2002, 01:53 PM

Great. ANOTHER player I've upset. Rich04, I apologize for whatever it was that upset you so to leave the game. At this rate, I'm not gonna bother ever starting another game; there won't be anyone left not angry enough to boycott it!

As to the surrender issue: I never claimed to be a dictator. Even with Mardik's vote (which I assume would be in favor of the surrender), the vote was still against the surrender. (And I didn't vote.

) Not to mention the fact that it should have been disabled (again, by player vote), it's just that the damned inept game host forgot to mark that checkbox when he started the game....

edit: I know I said I would take action tonite, but it's late and I'm tired. And I did have one thing to discuss with Mardik first (he actually replied, finally; despite his computer problems).

So, Mardik, if you read this before I send you an email tomarrow, do you still want to play in this game? I don't know your computer situation, but you obviously have access to email. The only reason I was going to kick you was because I thought that you had left the game on your own, and I needed to make room for your replacement player. If you're still in the game, then there's no need for the replacement player....

[ November 02, 2002, 12:04: Message edited by: dumbluck ]

Rich04 · #53 November 2nd, 2002, 10:46 PM

"I resent those remarks. I am in no way "childish" or "narrow minded," and name-calling does not help your arguement at all. Please refrain from such actions in the future."-Imperator Fyron

You know I mentioned no names in my post. There are definately two camps when it comes to surrender.

It is however interesting that you admitted to being 'childish' and 'narrow minded'. At least that is a good sign. In time you will mature.

It is still amazing that you continue saying 'your way of playing SE4' is the only correct way. Who made you God? Get over it.

Fyron · #54 November 2nd, 2002, 11:14 PM

Again, you only serve to weaken your arguement. The only way that you would know about what is going on in the game is if someone were to tell you what is going on. Since I am the only one actively arguing against the "merger", those petty insults would have to have been directed at me. The only person acting immature here is you. I have not said anything at all immature.

"My way" of playing SE4- as you so fallaciously put it- is how probably 95% of the people that I have played the game view surrender. In fact, it is how surrender was designed. I direct you to Aaron Hall's words on surrender from the Online SE4 manual:

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Surrender
When all is lost, and your empire cannot possibly go on, you can always surrender. You surrender to another empire by sending them a Surrender message. Once this message is sent, your entire empire will become controlled by that other player. Once you do this, your game will be over.

Nowhere in there does it say that surrender is to be used as a "merger" of two allied empires. It says that the option is to be used when your empire is nearly dead, and it implies that it is to be done to the empire that is doing the destroying. So, if surrender is to be used in such a contradictory manner, it must be set up in the house rules of the game to be done so. Otherwise, the default rule is that surrender cannot be used for a "merger."

I plan to ignore any further insulting remarks made in this thread. I ask that a moderator lock this thread if any more are made (or, at the least, remove the offending Posts). Thanks.

Rich04 · #55 November 3rd, 2002, 12:27 AM

Again you are incorrect. Anyone can go over to the forum for the game and read what is going on. Every once and a while I check the forum.

Unfortunately one cannot post to the forum or I would have done so there.

I had info concerning Mardik that I could pass on to Dumbluck. Alas you reared your head again and acted like an idiot.

Once again I mentioned no names. You felt insulted. Well if the shoe fits. Then you must have been behaving badly.

"Since I am the only one actively arguing against the "merger", those petty insults would have to have been directed at me. The only person acting immature here is you. I have not said anything at all immature."

And that means 95% are in agreement with you. Pretty funny math.

The proper term would be whining. Anybody can go check the forum themselves.

Nor was the statement directed at 'you'.

But it must be nice to be in the center of your universe.

It is not the first time I have had a run in with you Imperator Fyron. God please spare me from it again.

Oh yeah thats you. Time to become an athiest.

[ November 02, 2002, 22:30: Message edited by: Rich04 ]

Fyron · #56 November 3rd, 2002, 12:39 AM

This is getting out of hand. Will a moderator please lock this thread before Rich04 flames me any more?

geoschmo · #57 November 3rd, 2002, 12:41 AM

Ok, both of you need to calm down. You aren't getting anywhere, either one of you. Obviously you both disagree and you aren't going to convince each other. Just leave it at that. I am locking this thread down.

Geoschmo

Captain Kwok · #58 November 3rd, 2002, 02:23 AM

Hey Dumbluck, don't be so hard on yourself - the game problems are not your fault at all. I think they can be directed towards a certain individual responsible for about 80% of the mishaps.

The hosting is fine.

[ November 02, 2002, 12:23: Message edited by: Captain Kwok ]