What do I build to counter High def glamour units?

[Zebion]

Try it out then, Lizard Heir, Early era ctis is a sacred chariot

[Zen]

High Defense lets you dodge tramplings. So I don't think any sort of chariot would work very well, plus all chariots are Size3, so it would only work on size2 glamour units.

[RonD]

I just had 25 Helhirdings and 2 Hangadrotts wiped out to a man by 6 Burning Ones and an F6E9 cyclops - so you might try being Abysia

[Corwin]

Zen said:
High Defense lets you dodge tramplings. So I don't think any sort of chariot would work very well, plus all chariots are Size3, so it would only work on size2 glamour units.

Wrong. Chariots are size 4.

[Zen]

Yep, you're right. Glad you said that though, since I was checking them to see why I thought they were size 3, something wonky with a the Pretender Mod, thought I have no idea why it has Lizard Heirs and Arco chariots at size 3 since I don't even mod them.

*Feature*tacular

[FAJ]

If I am abysia, using cloud effect spells would work well for knocking off the glamour units?

[Zen]

Cloud spells or Falling Fires should do you just fine. If you don't have Evo5, but you do have Evo4 (for Fire Cloud) you should probably make a priority for Evo5, since it does dramatically help your units against non-fire resistant units.

You can also try Prison of Fire, with a decent mage (4+ in Fire) you should be able to imprison them, if you can get the Spell AI to target them.

[dirtywick]

Abysians can knock off glamour with their radiant heat alone. But, yeah, Fire Cloud works really well too, better than Falling Fires for that purpose, as it has a rather large AOE and sits there a few rounds so a lot of units will walk through it, and as Abysia you can cast it x5 because it doesn't effect your guys so you can cast it right on your front lines. Flare actually isn't bad early, it effects a lot of squares around where it lands, doesn't do much damage but can start the unit on fire which is all you want to knock off glamour.

[Graeme Dice]

Chariots were actually the only thing I was able to get to sort of work against F9W9 helhirdings as C'Tis, but I wasn't able able to quite figure out the right balance of chariots to turn off glamour and elite warriors to actually kill them.

[curtadams]

Graeme Dice said:
Chariots were actually the only thing I was able to get to sort of work against F9W9 helhirdings as C'Tis, but I wasn't able able to quite figure out the right balance of chariots to turn off glamour and elite warriors to actually kill them.

This shows how extreme the problem is. Even if you can knock off the glamour it's very hard to nail those high-defense units. Plus decent protection and, sometimes, beserking. Urk. Basically, Vanheim cavalry and heavy infantry are pretty gruesome units. It wasn't so noticeable in Dom2 because magic and SCs were much more important and differences in national units quickly became irrelevant. But buffing up the importance of the national units has worked and those strong units really make a difference now.